Originally Posted by ICESURVIVOR1

Mike, I can tell you what happens if they had decided that she planned to live in the states, she would have been cuffed and ankle shackled, taken to an Immigration jail, and dumped in a freezing pen with up to 80 other women. She could be stuck there for months, sometimes years.

Originally Posted by ICESURVIVOR1

Mike, I can tell you what happens if they had decided that she planned to live in the states, she would have been cuffed and ankle shackled, taken to an Immigration jail, and dumped in a freezing pen with up to 80 other women. She could be stuck there for months, sometimes years. I worked at the bank and lived in Chicago for 20 years; I was in this jail because I sued Immigration to get them to finally spit out my green card, I was an �Administrative Detainee�. I am now stuck in the UK with nothing, yet I own a house with a mortgage in Chicago. Everything I have worked for 20 years has been destroyed. I paid tax on all of my earnings; I was an IRS Enrolled Agent....

As you are in shock being arrested by the men in Black, you are told to collect your medications, they just want to talk to you; you don�t get a phone call, you don�t see your medication again (where does it go??)

Once you are in jail you are given substitute medications, which can make you very sick. Example an elderly Indian lady with high blood pressure and diabetes, so they wake her at 5am to record her blood pressure, it shows low, they take her blood sugar as soon as she has eaten, to show it is ok; the rest of the time because she is NOT OK she is either on the cold floor or on the bunk in her cell, unable to function. She has a urine infection they won't treat, it progresses to a kidney infection, she is shaking and jolting with the pains inside her, and the guards will not do anything and punish me for asking for help for her. I made phone calls to the OIG hotline to get her help, telling them she would die if they did not do something. They wanted her to walk down the stairs, she couldn�t, (they are laughing when she is throwing up and falling down off the toilet onto the floor headfirst) With another inmate we walked in front and behind her so she did not fall, the guard was annoyed, nobody told him he had to deal with this, he called for a wheelchair. They took her up to medical where she said they gave her antibiotics, she lost 10 pounds in 10 days..the day she walked back into the main cell, and she was deported and shoved on to the plane that night. She too had applied for her green card. Her file was marked RUSH too. I had four months to see the abuses in jail.
I am now having liver tests for the rash that covered my body from the throat down that I contracted in the jail. We were forced to clean 3 times a day with chemicals and no gloves.
I met Julie Myers, head of ICE, in the jail, she put her hands on the table, I told her she should wash them because it says on the bottle that if it comes into contact with the skin you should wash with cold water for 20 mins, and call the poison control center!

So that your friend was not arrested and shoved into jail � she should consider herself very, very lucky. Homeland Security officership is encouraging the worst aspects of human behaviour, (Die Welle; ignorance, fascism, the �need to belong� Abu Ghraib! Same thing�) and is creating a ready bunch of new Nazis, under your noses. There were two US Citizens in Immigration jail with me, because they make mistakes, and don�t care to correct them. I watched one young Us Citizen having a nervous breakdown, she couldn�t comprehend why she was in there. They spent over half a million dollars to arrest and detain me, I was not a fugitive, I worked in a bank, and have never even had a parking ticket. I am supposed to be grateful to have survived. Over 80 people have died that we know of in these jails. We only know about them because they had relatives who were citizens, who managed to get someone to listen, and put them in touch with NY Times who is keeping statistics. I have watched them bring people close to death with their tactics to demean and destroy people who were not born in the States.

So I repeat, this young Thai woman is Extremely fortunate that she was not put through this, for absolutely nothing.

But realize, this can now happen TO YOU....of course, some of you will think this is not true, until it does happen, TO YOU. I wouldt believe it if i hadnt seen it with my own eyes. I now have PTSD, becuase I really did see and experience all this and more.

now see this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/us...s.html?_r=1&hp
Martial law is coming next.

Get to http://www.aclu.org/privacy/gen/36951prs20080929.html

Originally Posted by B747-437B

Those who cooperate get that treatment. Those who argue or resist, well, they are not so fortunate.

Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur

So, shall we let everyone in, no questions asked?

Originally Posted by law dawg

I was beaten by some Mexicans once. Physical abuse of non-Mexicans is not uncommon. Sure, like any other race, there are good apples and bad apples.
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Originally Posted by chollie

Of course not, we should never let any of them in. See post #12. After all, any time we let someone in, no matter how rigorous the screening, there's still a risk.

Then we'll all be a lot safer, right? No room for mistakes.

Originally Posted by B747-437B

While I do appreciate the point you are trying to make, it doesn't change the fact that I was physically assaulted by an INS officer (pre-DHS days) and that every attempt to pursue the matter was met with DoJ claiming that INS was now part of DHS so they could not investigate, and DHS claiming that the incident occured before they existed so they could not investigate. I've also spent enough time in the detention cells myself and dealt with enough inads and depus to realise that not everyone can be making up the same stories. Every account of a personal experience is inevitably skewed by the perspective of the narrator (which is inevitably biased in cases like this, including my own), but that doesn't change the FACTS of what took place in each incident.

Originally Posted by trekkie

Such events are normally meant to eb rare occurance, not the norm.

Originally Posted by trekkie

It could obviouly be a misunderstanding or fault of the passengers but more than 1 incident in recent weeks indicate some sort of pattern.