Are We Anymore Secure Than Before?
#16
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That's not begging the question; that's merely "bringing up" or "raising the question". Begging the question is:
- p implies q.
- Suppose p. Therefore,
- q.
- Airports and aircraft are not secure if the TSA does not catch all rope.
- The TSA did not catch this guy's rope.
- OMG!!! Airports and aircraft are not secure.
I was thinking along the same lines... the TSA can't even successfully carry out the basics of their job, so they've created a thousand other ways to try and divert our attention.As for the OP, profiling based on religion etc. is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. What terrorist, knowing the new system (or even today for that matter) is going to come to an American airport dressed as in robes and tell airline and security personnel that he's a devout muslim? It's only an invitation for exactly the kind of racist attention that's advocated in that article.
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I was thinking along the same lines... the TSA can't even successfully carry out the basics of their job, so they've created a thousand other ways to try and divert our attention.As for the OP, profiling based on religion etc. is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. What terrorist, knowing the new system (or even today for that matter) is going to come to an American airport dressed as in robes and tell airline and security personnel that he's a devout muslim? It's only an invitation for exactly the kind of racist attention that's advocated in that article.
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Rather than assigning SSSS and performing secondary screening on American 80 year old grandmothers who do not alarm the WTMD or otherwise seem out of the ordinary, devote extra screening to males under the age of 50 who are from the Middle East or who have traveled to/from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. This sort of extra screening is not profiling based on religion, but rather the most prudent use of screening resources.
Um.....I don't understand this point at all. How is it not profiling to devote extra time to males under 50 who are "from the Middle East?" That, my friend, is profiling based on national/regional origin. I'm always ashamed of my country when I am sitting in my seat and a guy of Middle Eastern descent walks by, his boarding pass scrawled with "SSSS" in huge letters. This poor guy was targeted because of how the id checker perceived his origin. (It's almost as bad as profiling based on religion, but actually, religious profiling isn't supposed to happen because your religion doesn't appear in/on your travel documents, and it is highly illegal for any officers--TSA or otherwise--to ask you about your religion.)
The other thing you mention, screening based on travel patterns (lots of entry stamps to Afghanistan, etc.) is NOT improper profiling. In fact, I think is a legitimate, non-discriminatory way of deciding who needs additional screening.
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Rather than assigning SSSS and performing secondary screening on American 80 year old grandmothers who do not alarm the WTMD or otherwise seem out of the ordinary, devote extra screening to males under the age of 50 who are from the Middle East or who have traveled to/from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. This sort of extra screening is not profiling based on religion, but rather the most prudent use of screening resources.
#23
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If the primary screening was effective and done properly, nobody would need a secondary unless there is an unresolved WTMD alarm or x-ray item. Nobody needs to be profiled, just thoroughly screened. Of course, that means the No-Fly List would be useless. Oh wait, it already is.
If passenger is not in possession of a credible weapon or a viable explosive, it doesn't matter security-wise who he or she is, where they have been or where they are going; or why.
Valid ID - not important. Criminal - not important. Carrying $$$$ - not important. Drugs - not important (although I'll cede calling a LEO in that case).
If passenger is not in possession of a credible weapon or a viable explosive, it doesn't matter security-wise who he or she is, where they have been or where they are going; or why.
Valid ID - not important. Criminal - not important. Carrying $$$$ - not important. Drugs - not important (although I'll cede calling a LEO in that case).
#24




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If the primary screening was effective and done properly, nobody needs a secondary unless there is an unresolved WTMD alarm or x-ray item. Nobody needs to be profiled, just thoroughly screened. Of course, that means the No-Fly List would be useless. Oh wait, it already is.
You can't keep dangerous people out of public facilities and off of common carriers. End of story.





