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Originally Posted by Boraxo
(Post 10269688)
Much ado about nothing, but the media likes a story that involves bras and government critique.
Boobs. |
Originally Posted by iff
(Post 10274114)
That's because of the common element between bras and the government:
Boobs. Usually there is a lot concealed and, as the situation under discussion reveals, the unintended consequences sometimes include government interference that results in diminishing rather than enhancing human dignity. ;) |
Originally Posted by iff
(Post 10274114)
That's because of the common element between bras and the government:
Boobs. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 10274282)
I think this thread has been milked for all its got.;)
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Originally Posted by Andy1369
(Post 10260309)
The story up to the carryon bag search made sense - but why did they spend 40 minutes looking through her carryon?
The article doesn't say the bag search took 40 minutes. It says that "The whole undertaking took 40 minutes." 40 minutes for everything, starting with her first trip through security and ending when she was finally cleared. As for why they looked at her carry on bag, She came through a second time. most likely she came through a different x-ray operator. I don't think it's any secret to frequent flyers that some x-ray operators call more bag checks than others. I've seen regular passengers choose their lane based on who's on the x-ray. When I go to the supermarket, for similar reasons, I avoid certain cashiers no matter how short the line is at their lane. There's nothing sinister about it, someone new was on the x-ray, they had a different opinion about the contents of the woman's bag than the person that was on the first time she came through. The woman set off a metal detecor alarm. How silly would we be if every time we got an alarm on someone we said "what's that?" and when they said "nothing" we just said "ok" and let them go? |
Originally Posted by hungry_joe
(Post 10275627)
There's nothing sinister about it, someone new was on the x-ray, they had a different opinion about the contents of the woman's bag than the person that was on the first time she came through.
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Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 10275688)
Denying that these types of retaliations occur is foolish as there is way too much evidence of them.
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Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 10275688)
While your scenario is completely possible, it is just as possible that the TSOs recognized the woman from the bra encounter and decided to initiate a retaliatory secondary screening. Denying that these types of retaliations occur is foolish as there is way too much evidence of them.
Anyway; The woman set off an alarm, refused to allow the TSO to resolve the alarm and insisted on leaving the secure area instead. When she returned she no longer set off the same alarm. Since the first alarm was never resolved we don't know what actually caused it or what she actually removed to prevent it the second time. We know what she claims caused it and what she claims to have removed but we can't take for granted that she's truthful. Under the circumstances it's perfectly reasonable to give her property extra scrutiny in case she transferred a prohibited item from one location to another in an attempt to get it through the second time. |
Originally Posted by essxjay
(Post 10270555)
Can happen to us perfectly "average" girls, too. Can't find it at the moment, but there's a thread in here somewhere back in early '03 where I went nuts off about my underwire caper at PDX. I still get pissed when I remember it. :mad:
I shouldn't have to think twice about my choice of undergarments while traveling, just in the name of the Holy War on Terror. That's bang out of order. Female TSA during my patdown: "It must be a pretty good bra if it's setting off the detectors." Me: "It better be! I paid enough for it at Nordstrom!" |
Originally Posted by Fredd
(Post 10275708)
Best to make a clean breast of it.
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Originally Posted by hungry_joe
(Post 10275627)
. I don't think it's any secret to frequent flyers that some x-ray operators call more bag checks than others. I've seen regular passengers choose their lane based on who's on the x-ray. When I go to the supermarket, for similar reasons, I avoid certain cashiers no matter how short the line is at their lane. There's nothing sinister about it, someone new was on the x-ray, they had a different opinion about the contents of the woman's bag than the person that was on the first time she came through.
Continuing the childish nature of the thread... The War Against Terrorism has long outlived its usefulness. |
Originally Posted by hungry_joe
(Post 10276618)
I've never seen retaliatory screening and the only evidence I have of its existence is both biased and anecdotal. On the other hand I can't count the number of people who have told me "but this is my second time through and my bag cleared the first time." I don't deny the existence of retaliatory screening but I think the other possibility is far more likely.
We know what she claims caused it and what she claims to have removed but we can't take for granted that she's truthful. Under the circumstances it's perfectly reasonable to give her property extra scrutiny in case she transferred a prohibited item from one location to another in an attempt to get it through the second time. |
Originally Posted by hungry_joe
(Post 10276618)
Anyway; The woman set off an alarm, refused to allow the TSO to resolve the alarm and insisted on leaving the secure area instead. When she returned she no longer set off the same alarm. Since the first alarm was never resolved we don't know what actually caused it or what she actually removed to prevent it the second time. We know what she claims caused it and what she claims to have removed but we can't take for granted that she's truthful. Under the circumstances it's perfectly reasonable to give her property extra scrutiny in case she transferred a prohibited item from one location to another in an attempt to get it through the second time.
I thought your mind readers could tell if a person was being truthful or not! Another failed program and waste of taxpayer monies. TSA is done and should be taken off the stove. |
Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 10259392)
And then they gave her a retaliatory secondary.
Nice. Way to win the battle, but lose the PR war. Love this part of the article.... |
Originally Posted by hungry_joe
(Post 10276618)
...Under the circumstances it's perfectly reasonable to give her property extra scrutiny in case she transferred a prohibited item from one location to another in an attempt to get it through the second time.
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