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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 4:16 pm
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Angry Enough Is Enough!

This thread has pushed me over the line.

What do we do? I feel so hopeless. Me, and so many others, have posted comments on TSA's blog, and it's useless - it's like we're talking to a brick wall. Now they're going to actually verify the information, so we can't just fake a "Joe Smith" scenario.

Is there anything we can do about this new non-ID airport rule?

Please, let's discuss this... we need to take action.

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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 4:49 pm
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if having to answer your political affiliation is required to verify your identity as posted elsewhere, that is a very chilling prospect. I dont think too many people would be comfortable with that.
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:14 pm
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I agree this is over the line and without reason. All the other nonsense, the shoe carnival, the liquid baggie stuff, all PITA but more annoying than anything. This is the TSA getting outright abusive, and it does need to be stopped. I always thought a day of action was useless, but in this case if one were organized I would buy a ticket just to be sure to be a part of it, and contact my representatives local and national and invite them. It's beyond acceptable.
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:15 pm
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I find carrying a valid ID takes care of the issue....
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by wharvey
I find carrying a valid ID takes care of the issue....
Me too. It's not about carrying one. It's about the government demanding to see your ID without reason (Do you want to fly today is NOT a reason).
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by wharvey
I find carrying a valid ID takes care of the issue....
Yes. These new measures are significantly more invasive than presenting photo ID. Very scary.

Maybe my newly minted Sam's Club card or my pending photo credit cards will work .

People lose IDs all the time. When I was at the DMV in March there were 2 people in line with me who needed new IDs to catch a flight the next day. If they are in a different state that is not an option though.

North Carolina really needs to get Libertarian accepted as a valid party for registration so I can state my affiliation and get a response such as "oh, you're one of those!"

Travel isn't fun anymore. Every angle seems to suck more. TSA, FF programs, work policies.
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by wharvey
I find carrying a valid ID takes care of the issue....
That's fine. But what happens when your wallet is stolen, you lose your passport, or for whatever reason you really do get to the airport without ID? Are you ok with this type of verification before allowing you through the checkpoint?
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:27 pm
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To wharvey, I know the easier approach would just be to carry an ID, submit, and get it over with. However, some people truly will be inconvenienced in this (such as those who are almost late for their flight, in a rush, going through a hard time, Deaf/mute/blind/other disabled passengers). And, it's also the principle - the old way worked just fine, and this new policy does absolutely nothing for true security and safety. It's a waste of time, money, and resources, and above all, intrusive - especially for domestic travel. Just give people who don't have their ID a SSSS and move on.

That's why I think it's important we DO SOMETHING now before TSA decides to take a step further (doing this for every traveller instead of those who just forgot their ID, or having ID scanners connected to a database). They're already going too far, and they're ignoring many valid cries from a big number of people. Just look at all the comments - in the past, people would argue about a policy, but this certain policy seems to bring out an unanimous outcry.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by scoow
That's fine. But what happens when your wallet is stolen, you lose your passport, or for whatever reason you really do get to the airport without ID? Are you ok with this type of verification before allowing you through the checkpoint?
Honestly, I carry enough identification that I do not believe I would ever have this problem.

But, if it did happen, I honestly have no problem with whatever verification the federal government has established when I do not have my ID.

I know many disagree on principle, but it works for me.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 9:56 am
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I wrote to my two senators, Lautenberg and Menendez, about the new ID mess, but as usual I do not expect to receive any response as neither has responded to any of my concerns in the past.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 10:04 am
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if having to answer your political affiliation is required to verify your identity as posted elsewhere, that is a very chilling prospect. I dont think too many people would be comfortable with that.
Not that it makes a difference, but I am sure they are not going to ask the same three questions to everyone. They will have to mix it up to keep up the consistent inconsistency. I am not a big fan of the new procedure, but I haven't had to deal with it yet either. (Meaning, I haven't had a passenger without ID yet).
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 1:16 pm
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Well, I've thought about this, and here's our potential options - feel free to add in the mix.

1) Write our Congresspeople.
2) Create an online petition. (Not always effective, but may have a bit of impact?)
3) Organize a "No-ID" day, flooding TSA with no-ID passengers to deal with. (Either can be at a specific airport, or nationwide. Nationwide may be more effective, but will require more coordination. Can be spread to a few days, in different regions.)
4) Flood TSA HDq with letters. (Probably won't be very effective, tho.)
5) Organize a protest at airports by going up to the ID checkers with signs and/or verbal protests.
6) Do nothing. Just let this roll by. (No way, jose.)
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by gj83
North Carolina really needs to get Libertarian accepted as a valid party for registration so I can state my affiliation and get a response such as "oh, you're one of those!"
That makes me wish we could register as a party of one, and the name of the party could include G. Carlin's Seven Dirty Words. That would shut them up.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 1:56 pm
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the TS&S forum always amazes me how it manages to build such monumental mountains out of such tiny molehills. Is flipping out over having to show ID really a battle worth fighting? If so, why???
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 2:31 pm
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Originally Posted by nd_eric_77
the TS&S forum always amazes me how it manages to build such monumental mountains out of such tiny molehills. Is flipping out over having to show ID really a battle worth fighting? If so, why???
Were you to use the search function you would probably find the TS&S forum to be even more amazing than you think.
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