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soitgoes Feb 12, 2008 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by L-1011 (Post 9239440)
Well, yeah! Does the term "Green Card" ring any bells? And that question comes from a Federal "Officer" who supposedly has been trained in recognizing different Government issued IDs. Sheesh!

Be nice...I think SSR was just saying that was the category where green cards fit on the list that had been provided.

Global_Hi_Flyer Feb 12, 2008 2:27 pm

Well, given this, it seems that the TSA ought to change the language on their web site to specify what forms of ID are acceptable. It would appear that the double-secret policy is different than:


and government-issued photo ID available
And, according to that list, even a SIDA badge is not acceptable.

But it's not surprising that (once again) internal policy differs from published policy.

studentff Feb 12, 2008 3:04 pm

Bolding mine:


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9238311)
Just a note:

As many of you know, we (TSA) have started using the UV lights at basically all airports now. Along with that, we've received some training in acceptable documentation. They're still not clear on a lot of things, which I don't like, but here's what it seems to boil down to:

US Driver's License or State ID card
US Passport
US Federal Government ID card
Canadian drivers license (since passport is not required to travel over the border)
Foreign country passport (certain "suspect" countries could require additional screening)


We've been told not to accept foreign country's driver's licenses as a primary form of ID, mostly because of the vast number of them, and the difficulty of determining if it's valid, or the security of the process which goes into obtaining the ID.

Now, whether it should be our job to check IDs or not, is a discussion for a different thread, but currently we are and we're just doing our best to try and make sure we check for valid, secure IDs.

Thanks for posting. Since my old INSPass is a "US Federal Government ID Card," I'll use that phrase on them if they try to reject it.

As for the policy and list itself, :td: :td: :td: The sign at the checkpoint says "government issued photo ID." Nothing about frowning on certain governments or certain cards. IMO my large-state-University ID card is government issued ID, though I haven't tried to use it (yet) at a checkpoint.

If your bosses want to have stricter requirements to avoid haraSSSSment, they should and must publish them. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

L-1011 Feb 12, 2008 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 9239451)
Be nice...I think SSR was just saying that was the category where green cards fit on the list that had been provided.

I don't think so. OP wrote "US Federal Government ID Cards". There would not be a need for a list of some Government-issued ID card just to clump all the rest of them in to a separate category. But, OTH, this is TSA so what can we expect.

Fredrik74 Feb 12, 2008 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9238311)
We've been told not to accept foreign country's driver's licenses as a primary form of ID, mostly because of the vast number of them, and the difficulty of determining if it's valid, or the security of the process which goes into obtaining the ID.

Too bad. Where I come from(Sweden) we have considered our passports not valid as ID and everyone used their driver's licenses instead.

This have changed a bit lately with the new passports but earlier they wre considered not safe.


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9238311)
Now, whether it should be our job to check IDs or not, is a discussion for a different thread, but currently we are and we're just doing our best to try and make sure we check for valid, secure IDs.

The last time I flew in the US the passport checker looked at me and my foreign passport like he had found someone from al-Qaida. Do you receive additional training to look at foreigners like that or does it come naturally from the lack of knowledge of the world outside US borders?

L-1011 Feb 12, 2008 3:25 pm


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 9239980)
The last time I flew in the US the passport checker looked at me and my foreign passport like he had found someone from al-Qaida. Do you receive additional training to look at foreigners like that or does it come naturally from the lack of knowledge of the world outside US borders?

^:D^

At least they accepted yours. Mine was rejected as a non-valid ID.

GUWonder Feb 12, 2008 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9238311)
Foreign country passport (certain "suspect" countries could require additional screening)

Such additional screening of a US dual-national on the basis of their other national origin constitutes wrongful discrimination on the basis of national origin. I hope the ACLU and others take DHS-TSA to task on that and rake them over the proverbial coals for such anti-American activities.

The Stainless Steel Rat Feb 12, 2008 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by L-1011 (Post 9239930)
I don't think so. OP wrote "US Federal Government ID Cards". There would not be a need for a list of some Government-issued ID card just to clump all the rest of them in to a separate category. But, OTH, this is TSA so what can we expect.

Just for clarification, yes, I do know what a green card is, and yes, I've seen them. They are a federal government issued ID card, and they are acceptable. I'm sorry I didn't go through and list every single federal government ID card in my post. I also didn't list every single U.S. state and territory that issues a driver's license, but I figured you could figure that out ^

The Stainless Steel Rat Feb 12, 2008 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by studentff (Post 9239859)
As for the policy and list itself, :td: :td: :td: The sign at the checkpoint says "government issued photo ID." Nothing about frowning on certain governments or certain cards. IMO my large-state-University ID card is government issued ID, though I haven't tried to use it (yet) at a checkpoint.

If your bosses want to have stricter requirements to avoid haraSSSSment, they should and must publish them. Anything less is completely unacceptable.

To be honest, those of us who are *working* at the position would also like a nice, comprehensive list of acceptable and non-acceptable IDs. The list I posted is a good set of rough guidelines, but there are soooo many different types of IDs out there that sometimes it is hard for us to tell. Especially with some of the more esoteric IDs.

I do know that they don't want anything less than state or federally-issued ID, which means that school IDs won't cut it. Because they are issued by the school, and not by the state/federal government. Also, concealed weapons permits aren't accepted. I wondered about this, since they are often harder to get than a State ID card. But apparently that is an issue of how reliable the picture on the ID card is, as some localities will just have you mail in a photograph and other information to get your card. Obviously, this isn't a very secure way to validate ID.

donsig Feb 12, 2008 10:52 pm


Obviously, this isn't a very secure way to validate ID.
...here's an idea...don't use ANY ID. I am an American flying domestically and you are not entitled to my ID...screw 'em. TSA would have allowed everyone of the 911 hijackers on board with their 'ID" ....what a joke.

Wow, I feel really safe knowing the TSA morons are keeping us from "false ID" terrorists....get a life. If there "..isn't a very secure way to validate ID" then give it up...go eat donuts.

Idiots and Morons.

studentff Feb 13, 2008 12:03 am


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9242052)
I do know that they don't want anything less than state or federally-issued ID, which means that school IDs won't cut it. Because they are issued by the school, and not by the state/federal government.

Public universities are generally state-run institutions, so their student, faculty, and staff IDs are in fact state-government issued photo IDs. (Some are city-run, still government but not state-level.) Employees of those universities are considered state employees, and for at least the fraction of their employment that comes from the education/public arm of the school, subject to all of the benefits and restrictions of being state employees. The "if lost, mail to this address" note on the back of my university ID essentially mails it to the state office buildings in the capital (60+ miles from the school).

In addition, less than a month ago, the TSA contact center in a reply to a FTer stated that student ID was an acceptable form of photo ID.

See: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...&postcount=175


Originally Posted by TSA contact center
If you have a paper ticket for a domestic flight, passengers age 18 and over must present one form of photo identification issued by a local state of federal government agency (e.g.: passport, drivers license. Military ID, current student ID with photo), or two forms of non-photo identification, one of which must have been issued by a state or federal agency (e.g.: U.S. social security card). For an international flight, you will need to present a valid passport, visa, or any other required documentation.

The whole RealID debacle that will supposedly happen in May will hopefully force TSA to publish a list of acceptable IDs (or just admit that any remotely-government-looking photo ID is acceptable). De facto local TSA station policies of rejecting certain IDs are just not tolerable--not fair to the pax or the screeners.

The real answer is to drop the ID requirement entirely or leave it to the airlines to implement their own revenue-protection schemes, but DHS is so idiotically in love with its completely useless no-fly list that such common sense will never happen. :mad:

Psychocadet Feb 14, 2008 10:10 pm

Even if there is a law that says they need to carry a passport, does not mean the TSA can demand it be shown.

donsig Feb 14, 2008 10:22 pm


Even if there is a law that says they need to carry a passport, does not mean the TSA can demand it be shown.
BINGO!!! Screw 'em...show your Sam's Club card and tell 'em to pound sand...

pinkcat Feb 18, 2008 2:49 am

UK driving licence for PHL-MCO.. he gave it a good going over but when the expiry date was pointed out to him he initialled the BP and through we went

joejones Feb 18, 2008 3:07 am

I had a couple of fun experiences late last year using a Japanese alien registration card to board domestic flights in the US. The details are all blogged here:

http://www.mutantfrog.com/2007/11/27...-is-too-weird/

In the end, TSA let me through twice...


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