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CLELOSER Jan 26, 2008 5:08 am

Simple answer NO
 
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport. No i don't check if everyone with American drivers licenses are American citizens. It also keeps someone out of selectee status if they have a "BAD" passport, but has a "good" American drivers license.

graraps Jan 26, 2008 5:14 am


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport.

Is anyone else annoyed by this reply (and, for the avoidance of any confusion, I mean I'm annoyed by the policy, not personally with CLELOSER or his views)?
There should be a rule of what's accepted or not accepted, and not up to the individual screener to decide.

soitgoes Jan 26, 2008 5:16 am


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport. No i don't check if everyone with American drivers licenses are American citizens. It also keeps someone out of selectee status if they have a "BAD" passport, but has a "good" American drivers license.

Who came up with that rule?
And how are pax supposed to know about it?

FlyingHoustonian Jan 26, 2008 6:50 am


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport. No i don't check if everyone with American drivers licenses are American citizens. It also keeps someone out of selectee status if they have a "BAD" passport, but has a "good" American drivers license.

There is no way to check and see, with most US licenses, if the holder is a citizen (I have plenty of non-citizen friends and family with US licenses). What would you do to check, ask? Then they say yes with some accent you find odd so you ask for a passport.... That is the most inane thing I've read on here in a while. You can go to google an type 'fakeid' and see the various companies that will produce one a drivers license with all security features "as a novelty item only". The passport is slightly more secure than that.

Is the entire American TSA leadership organisation that comes up with this nonsense full of feckless hacks?

Ciao,
FH

Global_Hi_Flyer Jan 26, 2008 7:57 am


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 9138099)
There is no way to check and see, with most US licenses, if the holder is a citizen (I have plenty of non-citizen friends and family with US licenses). What would you do to check, ask? Then they say yes with some accent you find odd so you ask for a passport.... That is the most inane thing I've read on here in a while. You can go to google an type 'fakeid' and see the various companies that will produce one a drivers license with all security features "as a novelty item only". The passport is slightly more secure than that.

Is the entire American TSA leadership organisation that comes up with this nonsense full of feckless hacks?

Ciao,
FH

They think they are doing the (leader's) work by stopping illegal immigrants. They also know that by doing so, they are pandering to a large portion of the public that demands an end to illegal immigration.... NOW.

GUWonder Jan 26, 2008 10:58 am


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses.

That is false.

GUWonder Jan 26, 2008 11:01 am

Speaking of the "'BAD' passport", that is a reference to discrimination based on national origin.

soitgoes Jan 26, 2008 11:02 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 9138995)
That is false.

I think so, too.
If anything the rule would be "only US driver's licenses are accepted", not only US citizens may use driver's licenses.
Think about it...would it make sense to allow me to use my German driver's license but forbid a German from using their US driver's license? (and how would you know who is entitled to use what...)

(Note: I am not convinced that using foreign licenses is actually prohibited.)

FlyingHoustonian Jan 26, 2008 11:44 am


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 9139016)
I think so, too.
If anything the rule would be "only US driver's licenses are accepted", not only US citizens may use driver's licenses.
Think about it...would it make sense to allow me to use my German driver's license but forbid a German from using their US driver's license? (and how would you know who is entitled to use what...)

(Note: I am not convinced that using foreign licenses is actually prohibited.)

Sadly my German license doesn't have a picture :eek:

But my first question still stands. One cannot tell from looking at a license what nationality someone is or if they are US citizens. So the poster that says only citizens can use licenses is non-sense. I am a citizen without a US license so I use other ids and passports, as I have noted in other threads.
None of this is prohibited by the TSA.

Plenty of states issues licenses to people here in B or J or K visa.
There is no way to tell someone's nationality. You don't even have to be a citizen to get social security number.


I feel safer already...

Ciao,
FH

soitgoes Jan 26, 2008 11:55 am


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 9139166)
Sadly my German license doesn't have a picture :eek:

The new ones (EU format) do...
still no expiration date, though, so I guess that could get the TSA bent out of shape


Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian (Post 9139166)
But my first question still stands. One cannot tell from looking at a license what nationality someone is or if they are US citizens. So the poster that says only citizens can use licenses is non-sense. ...
Plenty of states issues licenses to people here in B or J or K visa.
There is no way to tell someone's nationality.

The ID stuff is such a waste of resources, time, and money.
There are some people that want US driver's licenses to show citizenship and some states will only issue limited time validity licenses to non-citizens (until the expiration date on the visa).

If/when REALId takes effect, I think that the TSA says that they will accept from passengers 18-40 all passports (from all countries) but only driver's licenses from US states with REALId implemented.

FlyingHoustonian Jan 26, 2008 12:24 pm


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 9139228)
The new ones (EU format) do...
still no expiration date, though, so I guess that could get the TSA bent out of shape


The ID stuff is such a waste of resources, time, and money.
There are some people that want US driver's licenses to show citizenship and some states will only issue limited time validity licenses to non-citizens (until the expiration date on the visa).

If/when REALId takes effect, I think that the TSA says that they will accept from passengers 18-40 all passports (from all countries) but only driver's licenses from US states with REALId implemented.


Real ID is a farce as has been noted on other threads so I won't beat the dead horse again.

Showing citizenship on driver's licenses is absurd IMO. I can continue to drive around with an International license as could many others. I have never tried the International License (like the AAA kind) at the TSA. I might have to try that next just for fun and to be contrarian. I have the time ;)

Ciao,
FH

L-1011 Jan 26, 2008 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport. No i don't check if everyone with American drivers licenses are American citizens. It also keeps someone out of selectee status if they have a "BAD" passport, but has a "good" American drivers license.

The stupidity of TSA never stops amazing me. Who came up with this idea? Is it documented anywhere? And as many others have said, how in the world will you be able to check this? :confused:

NY-FLA Jan 26, 2008 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport. No i don't check if everyone with American drivers licenses are American citizens. It also keeps someone out of selectee status if they have a "BAD" passport, but has a "good" American drivers license.

Wow. Wrong, confused, inappropriate and ignorant at every level. :rolleyes: And the mere fact that he tries to contribute here probably means he's one of the smarter ones. :rolleyes:

WHBM Jan 26, 2008 4:12 pm

Showing a UK driving licence (note the spelling) in the US is a real blast. I love doing it.

"ID".
"Is my driving licence alright ?"
"Yeah".
"Here we are"
"What the heck's this. There's no goddam photograph".

I hear (above and elsewhere) that German licences are the same. Fortunately this has been a key issue in preventing the spread of "ID, ID" at every point you go to, as most people in the UK do not have any ID on them. You are not even obliged to carry the licence with you when driving - another fact that some from overseas find surprising.

TravellingMan Jan 26, 2008 6:44 pm

As if you can recognize a fake foreign passport. I bet you have never seen a passport from Tanzania or for that matter Bhutan. So being a selectee negates the requirement of an official ID?

This entire charade at the airport just makes me wonder how people could have lost their minds so badly :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by CLELOSER (Post 9137826)
Only US citizens may use US drivers licenses. Now if I get one from Ontario Canada, or Australia(where my wife originates), I will accept it because I know what they look like. Everyone else needs to show a passport. No i don't check if everyone with American drivers licenses are American citizens. It also keeps someone out of selectee status if they have a "BAD" passport, but has a "good" American drivers license.



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