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daeira Jan 28, 2008 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by railroadtycoon (Post 9150841)
INCORRECT!


Many state if not all state DL's don't say nationality on it, and you don't have to be a US citizen to get DL in the first place.

For daeira's case, based on what they told you, a US citizen with a Canadian DL can use it, while a Canadian with a Canadian DL cannot. Pure lunacy!

I tried arguing stating that he had accepted the DL of the passenger ahead of me. He reiterated that since I was from Canada I wasn't allowed to do so. While my DL doesn't state nationality, he knew from my province that I was indeed not American. According to him, I either produce my passport or not board the plane.

railroadtycoon Jan 28, 2008 7:39 pm

He was wrong on that point to, you can fly without even producing an ID. Most likely you would of been subjected to SSSS and additional screening.
Another one of those "do you want to fly today.." things.
Which airport did this happen at?

daeira Jan 28, 2008 8:21 pm

I'll admit I'm fairly naive in terms of my rights and I really didn't want to end up smacked down on the floor, so I shut up and pulled out my passport.

It was in DEN

bocastephen Jan 28, 2008 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by daeira (Post 9151628)
I'll admit I'm fairly naive in terms of my rights and I really didn't want to end up smacked down on the floor, so I shut up and pulled out my passport.

It was in DEN

Next time please ask for a supervisor, and from there, escalate to the Ground Security Coordinator of your airline - they can overrule the TSA and allow you to fly.

You shouldn't be naive about your rights - please take the time to educate yourself and don't be taken advantage of again.

Jenbel Jan 29, 2008 4:40 am


Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh (Post 9149305)
Now we know your age ;)

21 of course ;)

essxjay Jan 29, 2008 5:18 am


Originally Posted by L-1011 (Post 9150573)
Does Michigan get a royalty on that?

I think the term we're looking for here is, "Kickback."

wsommerv Jan 29, 2008 7:59 am


Originally Posted by daeira (Post 9151323)
I tried arguing stating that he had accepted the DL of the passenger ahead of me. He reiterated that since I was from Canada I wasn't allowed to do so. While my DL doesn't state nationality, he knew from my province that I was indeed not American. According to him, I either produce my passport or not board the plane.

What would have happened if you had driven into the United States, as for the moment we still don't need passports for this.

I fly domestically in the states from time to time. And I have a Maine driver's licence. So he wouldn't have known my citizenship either. . . it's all so silly. What does knowing one's citizenship have to do with valid ID, and what does ID have to do with security?

diving4gold Feb 9, 2008 12:46 pm

Last year my sister and I were flying SFO-JFK-SFO. Flying out of SFO she was able to use her NSW drivers license without problem, on the way back she was told at the check in counter at United that she was unable to use her NSW drivers license as a form of I.D. Unfortunately she did not have her Australian passport with her and was put through a SSS. I personally think they guy that checked her in had a bug up his .... I would love to know what the law states, although I doubt that she would try this again.

The Stainless Steel Rat Feb 12, 2008 11:18 am

Just a note:

As many of you know, we (TSA) have started using the UV lights at basically all airports now. Along with that, we've received some training in acceptable documentation. They're still not clear on a lot of things, which I don't like, but here's what it seems to boil down to:

US Driver's License or State ID card
US Passport
US Federal Government ID card
Canadian drivers license (since passport is not required to travel over the border)
Foreign country passport (certain "suspect" countries could require additional screening)

We've been told not to accept foreign country's driver's licenses as a primary form of ID, mostly because of the vast number of them, and the difficulty of determining if it's valid, or the security of the process which goes into obtaining the ID.

Now, whether it should be our job to check IDs or not, is a discussion for a different thread, but currently we are and we're just doing our best to try and make sure we check for valid, secure IDs.

soitgoes Feb 12, 2008 11:24 am

Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9238311)
Canadian drivers liscence (since passport is not required to travel over the border)

Not by air--passports are required for air entry to/from Canada (although a Canadian could enter via land and then take a US domestic flight and not need a passport).

However, not every non-citizen who is traveling by air is traveling internationally. This is a ridiculous rule.

Also, I noticed that LPR (green) cards are not on this list. Is that just an oversight?
Yet another question: can you define "suspect" countries?

DLFan2 Feb 12, 2008 12:22 pm


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9238311)

US Driver's Liscence or State ID card
.

I don't have a US Driver's Liscence. Will a driver's license do? ;)

The Stainless Steel Rat Feb 12, 2008 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 9238359)
Thanks for posting.

Not by air--passports are required for air entry to/from Canada (although a Canadian could enter via land and then take a US domestic flight and not need a passport).

However, not every non-citizen who is traveling by air is traveling internationally. This is a ridiculous rule.

That may be. But it is the simplest, most convenient, (theoretically) most secure form of ID that a non-citizen would be "guaranteed" to have with them.


Also, I noticed that LPR (green) cards are not on this list. Is that just an oversight?
Federal government issued ID card?


Yet another question: can you define "suspect" countries?
I strongly suspect that this is SSI information, so I'd rather not specifically define them (and possibly get into trouble). It's not a very large list, and the countries are fairly well known as being potential terrorism-sponsoring countries.


Originally Posted by DLFan2 (Post 9238726)
I don't have a US Driver's Liscence. Will a driver's license do? ;)

I have no idea what you are talking about :cool:

soitgoes Feb 12, 2008 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9239306)
That may be. But it is the simplest, most convenient, (theoretically) most secure form of ID that a non-citizen would be "guaranteed" to have with them.

Why are they "guaranteed" to have their passport? The law requires them to have their entry card with them, but does not require the carrying of the passport.

The Stainless Steel Rat Feb 12, 2008 1:58 pm

Thus the quotes. While they are not "required" to have it with them, I don't think I've run across a traveller yet who didn't. And if they didn't, we all know that they'll still be able to fly, just go through the additional screening.

L-1011 Feb 12, 2008 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by The Stainless Steel Rat (Post 9239306)
Federal government issued ID card?

Well, yeah! Does the term "Green Card" ring any bells? And that question comes from a Federal "Officer" who supposedly has been trained in recognizing different Government issued IDs. Sheesh!


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