Tiny toothpaste and security
#16
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Assuming you meant 1x35mm (without measuring to verify a quart sized bag would accommodate--and again assuming that any of this makes sense--perhaps it's been determined that 50mm is the Critical Diameter. Constraining the size of the container solves the problem.
Now, I don't know how this prevents such scenarios as buying something airside which support Critical Diameter, or checking such a container with binary components that are known to dissolve a barrier on a predictable schedule, etc.
#17

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Great example a bag that is 1x35cm will not fit into a quart sized bag.
Assuming you meant 1x35mm (without measuring to verify a quart sized bag would accommodate--and again assuming that any of this makes sense--perhaps it's been determined that 50mm is the Critical Diameter. Constraining the size of the container solves the problem.
Now, I don't know how this prevents such scenarios as buying something airside which support Critical Diameter, or checking such a container with binary components that are known to dissolve a barrier on a predictable schedule, etc.
Assuming you meant 1x35mm (without measuring to verify a quart sized bag would accommodate--and again assuming that any of this makes sense--perhaps it's been determined that 50mm is the Critical Diameter. Constraining the size of the container solves the problem.
Now, I don't know how this prevents such scenarios as buying something airside which support Critical Diameter, or checking such a container with binary components that are known to dissolve a barrier on a predictable schedule, etc.
SmilingBoy.
#18
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There is nothing magical about container diameter that is not in the public domain. TSA is not privy to some Secret Knowledge that they are leveraging to protect us. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
#19

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me: Um, OK, but I only have this gallon size bag.
TSA: then these items can't fly
me: so you have no issue with the contents of the bag ?
TSA: no, the contents are fine
me: then what is the issue ?
TSA: you need a quart size bag
me: since the contents are safe and have already passed your screening, can I just put them in my computer bag and catch my flight ?
TSA: not without a quart size ziplock bag.
me: can I speak with a supervisor ?
TSA supv: you need a quart size bag
me: so the critical security issue here is not the liquids, but the ziplock bag ?
TSA: sir, we don't make the rules, if you don't like them, complain to your congressman
me: are you empowered in any way to apply common sense and actually see that there is no threat to aviation security here ?
TSA: no, we are not.
me: throw them in the trash, I have a flight to catch.
This is how it actually happened.
#20




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Perhaps TSA or the Feds have a secret investment in the manufacturing of the plastic bags which helps them fund all their other smart initiatives. They needed to increase the sales of bags so that their return on the investment would increase.
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I wish they were at least that smart.
#22
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this seems to be the case, as happend to me with TSA at TUL. I had my liquids (all less than 3 oz) in a gallon sized ziplock bag. TSA caught it in xray and told me it had to be a quart sized bag........
me: are you empowered in any way to apply common sense and actually see that there is no threat to aviation security here ?
TSA: no, we are not.
me: are you empowered in any way to apply common sense and actually see that there is no threat to aviation security here ?
TSA: no, we are not.
As we all know, from the moronic Kip Hawley "interviews", that Kippie was "told by some scientists that volatile chemicals in amounts less than one quart would not pose a threat to aviation."; so the TSA then figured that if they limited the amount of liquids pax could bring on board to "as many 3oz bottles that can be stowed inside a 1 qt. ziplock bag with the zipper zipped, that the immutable laws of physics would then say that the total volume of liquid inside the bag could never be >1 qt."; and then they could hire anybody to do the checking, without having a degree in physics or mathematics; and we would all be safer for their efforts.
Last edited by kaukau; Sep 19, 2007 at 7:23 pm
#23
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Well, at least he was honest with you. No different than a bartender being forced to ask a 70 year-old for ID proof that they're over 21. Someone in charge of policy has indeed determined that their employees are, as a group, too stupid to apply common sense and make decisions based on their own judgement; so a set of unwavering parameters is instituted to take the human factor out of the equation.
As we all know, from the moronic Kip Hawley "interviews", that Kippie was "told by some scientists that volatile chemicals in amounts less than one quart would not pose a threat to aviation."; so the TSA then figured that if they limited the amount of liquids pax could bring on board to "as many 3oz bottles that can be stowed inside a 1 qt. ziplock bag with the zipper zipped, that the immutable laws of physics would then say that the total volume of liquid inside the bag could never be >1 qt."; and then they could hire anybody to do the checking, without having a degree in physics or mathematics; and we would all be safer for their efforts.
As we all know, from the moronic Kip Hawley "interviews", that Kippie was "told by some scientists that volatile chemicals in amounts less than one quart would not pose a threat to aviation."; so the TSA then figured that if they limited the amount of liquids pax could bring on board to "as many 3oz bottles that can be stowed inside a 1 qt. ziplock bag with the zipper zipped, that the immutable laws of physics would then say that the total volume of liquid inside the bag could never be >1 qt."; and then they could hire anybody to do the checking, without having a degree in physics or mathematics; and we would all be safer for their efforts.
TSA is such a bad joke, but at least it is employing over 40,000 individuals. The economy must be experiencing some stimulus from these workers.

