'Plot Would Have Killed Thousands'
Aug 6, 2007, 9:57 pm
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I found this report frustratingly lacking on details or serious reporting. I encourage all to provide feedback to ABC as well.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3453344
sorry they force you to watch a commercial first.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3453344
sorry they force you to watch a commercial first.
It's no wonder this country is full of sheople when you have propaganda running as the news.
Aug 6, 2007, 10:00 pm
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Aug 6, 2007, 11:11 pm
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Remember when (I think) NBC was caught exploding a car? Well, why don't we file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to Sandia Labs and find out the formula they were using?
If, as I've read through these posts and other online articles, the quantities, etc weren't practical or realistic; and, everyone raises questions about the test, let's find out exactly what was done.
I'm sure they'll claim an exemption under national security exemptions to FOIA, but it might be worth a try.
I'm really getting sick of no one knowing the truth.
If, as I've read through these posts and other online articles, the quantities, etc weren't practical or realistic; and, everyone raises questions about the test, let's find out exactly what was done.
I'm sure they'll claim an exemption under national security exemptions to FOIA, but it might be worth a try.
I'm really getting sick of no one knowing the truth.
Aug 6, 2007, 11:15 pm
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As one of my physics professors said, real science doesn't just ask what happens. It also asks how much? That second question, he said, would debunk a lot of junk science out there. In particular, his pet peeve was the "cell phones give you cancer" and he debunked why that was next to impossible by showing us "how much."
Aug 7, 2007, 4:28 am
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Don't you all agree that they are using these scare tactics on us to justify the stupidity of the TSA and all the bans they force upon us?
Does the coversation go something like this:
Ok, men, we had better come up with something, so that we don't look like the total idiots we are. The American sheeple are so stupid that they will believe anything we tell them. WE are the government, afterall. Ya, that's it, we will scare the crap out of the American people, then we will look like heeero's.
Does the coversation go something like this:
Ok, men, we had better come up with something, so that we don't look like the total idiots we are. The American sheeple are so stupid that they will believe anything we tell them. WE are the government, afterall. Ya, that's it, we will scare the crap out of the American people, then we will look like heeero's.
Aug 7, 2007, 4:54 am
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"Intent"/"Intend" vs. "capability"/"ability" in actual circumstances.
1 liter bag of 3.4 oz bottles or less is ok but 2 liter bag of 5 oz bottles are not ok -- idiotic restriction given persons operating in cooperation or even an individual going back and forth between the checkpoint even once (or even not) can still readily get around the restriction through a wee bit of applied wit and deceptively labelled bottles.
This "solution" is no solution for that which it is purported to be.
1 liter bag of 3.4 oz bottles or less is ok but 2 liter bag of 5 oz bottles are not ok -- idiotic restriction given persons operating in cooperation or even an individual going back and forth between the checkpoint even once (or even not) can still readily get around the restriction through a wee bit of applied wit and deceptively labelled bottles.
This "solution" is no solution for that which it is purported to be.
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Aug 7, 2007, 6:35 am
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"Intent"/"Intend" vs. "capability"/"ability" in actual circumstances.
1 liter bag of 3.4 oz bottles or less is ok but 2 liter bag of 5 oz bottles are not ok -- idiotic restriction given persons operating in cooperation or even an individual going back and forth between the checkpoint even once (or even not) can still readily get around the restriction through a wee bit of applied wit and deceptively labelled bottles.
This "solution" is no solution for that which it is purported to be.
1 liter bag of 3.4 oz bottles or less is ok but 2 liter bag of 5 oz bottles are not ok -- idiotic restriction given persons operating in cooperation or even an individual going back and forth between the checkpoint even once (or even not) can still readily get around the restriction through a wee bit of applied wit and deceptively labelled bottles.
This "solution" is no solution for that which it is purported to be.
Boom......done.
Aug 7, 2007, 6:45 am
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Aug 7, 2007, 6:54 am
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Meh.....if you're a terrorist, why worry about Freedom Baggies? Just put the liquid containers in your pocket which will never be checked (Cargo pants are a terrorists best friend) or ship them via the airlines cargo service. Trigger the explosive via a timer or a remote control.
Boom......done.
Boom......done.
Chertoff and intelligence don't seem to go hand in hand. On the other hand, Chertoff and ineffectiveness go hand in hand.
Aug 7, 2007, 8:07 am
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Aug 7, 2007, 8:17 am
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This kind of molds into the other thread about the "sheople getting restless."
The increased amount of face time, press releases and "media leaks" by the DHS and TSA tell me they're starting to feel the pressure at HQ. It seems like they're having to counter more frustrated and doubtful people, hence these scare tactics and "interviews."
The increased amount of face time, press releases and "media leaks" by the DHS and TSA tell me they're starting to feel the pressure at HQ. It seems like they're having to counter more frustrated and doubtful people, hence these scare tactics and "interviews."
Aug 7, 2007, 8:24 am
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This kind of molds into the other thread about the "sheople getting restless."
The increased amount of face time, press releases and "media leaks" by the DHS and TSA tell me they're starting to feel the pressure at HQ. It seems like they're having to counter more frustrated and doubtful people, hence these scare tactics and "interviews."
The increased amount of face time, press releases and "media leaks" by the DHS and TSA tell me they're starting to feel the pressure at HQ. It seems like they're having to counter more frustrated and doubtful people, hence these scare tactics and "interviews."
The political CYA is a tacit admission that they know America is not as safe as the incumbent political leadership and Administration apologists have claimed as achievements for themselves in recent years.
Aug 7, 2007, 8:31 am
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Not to mention that EVERY independent expert in chemistry and explosives has called the plot completely untenable.
I'm really getting sick of no one knowing the truth.
OTOH, FT's waste oxygen debating how many aircraft/seat configurations = "thousands", and demanding to know how many milliliters of solution the terrorists intended to use and in what exact formulation. This administration is full of scoundrels and habitual liars, demanding the truth is a waste of time...you won't get it. I want my 5 minutes back.
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