sky marshall out of control
Apr 3, 2007 | 6:07 pm
#31
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I don't think TSA people actually fly. The last time I was through SJC on AS I had trimmed my OLCI BP to size rather than folding it. The post arch BP checker went on and on about how I had removed important data and that I should never trim that 8.5x11 inch paper. 
Now what can you do with a situation like that? I probably should have asked for a complaint form, but my time is worth money and I didn't feel like writing a TSA training manual for them.
I can tell you that from now on I'm going to make a paper-doll of my BP and remove all unnecessary white space. Seasoned travelers travel light, right?
Now what can you do with a situation like that? I probably should have asked for a complaint form, but my time is worth money and I didn't feel like writing a TSA training manual for them.
I can tell you that from now on I'm going to make a paper-doll of my BP and remove all unnecessary white space. Seasoned travelers travel light, right?
Apr 3, 2007 | 6:08 pm
#32
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Obviously, one can make a demand w/o anger or implied invective attached, for example: "May I see your ID?" vs. "I'd like to see some ID, please," said in a calm, steady voice. I'm not sure that couching such a command -- yes, they are compelled to produce ID -- in the form of a questions buys one any better luck or fewer problems, per se.
Apr 3, 2007 | 6:22 pm
#33
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How does it need to be "cleaned up?" In what ways? And in what ways that will prevent other "unarmed" people from being killed?
Apr 3, 2007 | 7:11 pm
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Depends on the situation. If this was my aircraft and the pax actually did turn out to be an LEO of some sort (on a powertrip), I would tell them to sit down and shut up for the duration of the flight. If it was a civillian pretending to be an LEO, I would probably offload them.
Apr 3, 2007 | 8:33 pm
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Apr 3, 2007 | 8:34 pm
#38
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In my experience trying to get information about the person in question only leads to further problems for you.
Given the erratic behavior of the person that allegedly verbally abused you, why didn't you, another passenger, or the flight crew immediately report the incident to the authorites as clearly in your judgement this was "unusual behavior", and I believe on the day of the purported incident we were on "orange alert". That's right, "ORANGE". Had you failed to do so and this person meant harm, it might be construed that you unknowingly abeted the person.
I would have exited the plane, waited until the individual was securely sealed in the aircraft, and then reported the incident to the police. There is certainly no reason for you to be subjected to a more unpleasant flying experience then it has become. It will also give the TSA, airlines, etc. a couple of things to think about. What is the person doing on the plane, and why did you exit the aircraft?
There are Ghandian forms of passive resistance that can be used by those who have a need to travel which creates a percieved need for their existence and pays the bills for those that resort to predatory practices in the name of security.
Given the erratic behavior of the person that allegedly verbally abused you, why didn't you, another passenger, or the flight crew immediately report the incident to the authorites as clearly in your judgement this was "unusual behavior", and I believe on the day of the purported incident we were on "orange alert". That's right, "ORANGE". Had you failed to do so and this person meant harm, it might be construed that you unknowingly abeted the person.
I would have exited the plane, waited until the individual was securely sealed in the aircraft, and then reported the incident to the police. There is certainly no reason for you to be subjected to a more unpleasant flying experience then it has become. It will also give the TSA, airlines, etc. a couple of things to think about. What is the person doing on the plane, and why did you exit the aircraft?
There are Ghandian forms of passive resistance that can be used by those who have a need to travel which creates a percieved need for their existence and pays the bills for those that resort to predatory practices in the name of security.
Last edited by sailman; Apr 3, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Apr 14, 2007 | 10:57 am
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i then continued to the plane and sat in seat 1B in first class. a short time after, a guy who was boarding came to me and started yelling at me that he could and should arrest me, but that he would not arrest me and that i should have gone back to the agent, which i did. this guy was loud and rude to me and just went off on me in front of everybody in first class, to show everybody who he was.