Security for crews
#16
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: MSP
Programs: SPG Gold;NWA gold;Hyatt Plat
Posts: 1,458
As another person pointed out, crew is exempt from the baggie/liquid/shoe rules as they have already been vetted.
coachrowsey, I'm trying to find the TSA reg on crews flying without going through security, and I haven't found it yet. I've seen signs at the airport by some of the checkpoints stating that fact, however. This was at MSP.
#17
Join Date: Sep 2006
Programs: CO Plat, Priority Club Plat, HH Diamond, Avis First, Hertz #1Gold
Posts: 720
An NCIC check is not a criminal history. A "check" is just a query for active warrants. A criminal history is a III check (Interstate Identification Index), which discloses arrest history, and when available, conviction history. Furthermore, no justification is needed for a basic NCIC check, while a III requires documentation on who ran the check, the reason for the check, incident number, etc.
#18
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,704
An NCIC check is not a criminal history. A "check" is just a query for active warrants. A criminal history is a III check (Interstate Identification Index), which discloses arrest history, and when available, conviction history. Furthermore, no justification is needed for a basic NCIC check, while a III requires documentation on who ran the check, the reason for the check, incident number, etc.
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm
#19
Join Date: Sep 2006
Programs: CO Plat, Priority Club Plat, HH Diamond, Avis First, Hertz #1Gold
Posts: 720
I've run about 7 billion NCIC checks. It is not a wants or warrants, its criminal history, stolen vehicle, runaway, etc.
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fbi/is/ncic.htm
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/DLES/cibm...ationindex.htm
#20
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,704
I will "see" your 7 billion checks and raise you another billion.
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/DLES/cibm...ationindex.htm
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/DLES/cibm...ationindex.htm
All I know my friend is when I've called in an NCIC check with name and DOB I get a criminal history, not just wants and warrants. If I run prints I get a more accurate crim history.
You can even do NCIC checks with "sounds like" indexes where you're not sure of the name or what not.
#21
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: AA, WN RR
Posts: 3,122
All of this talk about background checks and NCIC procedure is well and good, but how do illegal immigrants wind up with jobs that allow them access to allegedly secure areas of airports? Several times in the last few years, numerous illegals have been arrested in Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, and at Dulles, among other airports. See e.g. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/...rt_Arrests.php (Atlanta); http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news...99/detail.html (Boston);http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/...rt-workers.htm (numerous airports); and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061401107.html (Dulles).
These repeated failures to weed out people who by definition should not be working in "secure" areas points out the limitations of background checks. This is another gaping hole in the United States facade of aviation security, right up there with lack of screening of commercial cargo transported on airliners. Screen passengers and flight crews, to give Joe Six Pack who flies once every 18 months the impression that TSA secures airports. But the truth is far less rosy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061401107.html (Dulles).
These repeated failures to weed out people who by definition should not be working in "secure" areas points out the limitations of background checks. This is another gaping hole in the United States facade of aviation security, right up there with lack of screening of commercial cargo transported on airliners. Screen passengers and flight crews, to give Joe Six Pack who flies once every 18 months the impression that TSA secures airports. But the truth is far less rosy.
#22
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: CLT
Programs: Choice Hotels/FFOCUS
Posts: 7,259
Personally, if you've been fingerprinted and gone through a 10 year background check, along with random inspections while on airport property, I'd have no problem with you bringing liquids through a checkpoint, or even not taking off your shoes..
As another person pointed out, crew is exempt from the baggie/liquid/shoe rules as they have already been vetted.
coachrowsey, I'm trying to find the TSA reg on crews flying without going through security, and I haven't found it yet. I've seen signs at the airport by some of the checkpoints stating that fact, however. This was at MSP.
As another person pointed out, crew is exempt from the baggie/liquid/shoe rules as they have already been vetted.
coachrowsey, I'm trying to find the TSA reg on crews flying without going through security, and I haven't found it yet. I've seen signs at the airport by some of the checkpoints stating that fact, however. This was at MSP.
#23


Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Delta SkyMiles
Posts: 654
I've always found it kind of comical that the flight deck crew was having to go through the checkpoint procedures. If the captain or the first officer decides the plane is going to crash or fly into a building, that's what's going to happen. Neither needs a gun or explosives to make it happen.
#24
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,704
All of this talk about background checks and NCIC procedure is well and good, but how do illegal immigrants wind up with jobs that allow them access to allegedly secure areas of airports? Several times in the last few years, numerous illegals have been arrested in Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, and at Dulles, among other airports. See e.g. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/...rt_Arrests.php (Atlanta); http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news...99/detail.html (Boston);http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/...rt-workers.htm (numerous airports); and
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061401107.html (Dulles).
These repeated failures to weed out people who by definition should not be working in "secure" areas points out the limitations of background checks. This is another gaping hole in the United States facade of aviation security, right up there with lack of screening of commercial cargo transported on airliners. Screen passengers and flight crews, to give Joe Six Pack who flies once every 18 months the impression that TSA secures airports. But the truth is far less rosy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061401107.html (Dulles).
These repeated failures to weed out people who by definition should not be working in "secure" areas points out the limitations of background checks. This is another gaping hole in the United States facade of aviation security, right up there with lack of screening of commercial cargo transported on airliners. Screen passengers and flight crews, to give Joe Six Pack who flies once every 18 months the impression that TSA secures airports. But the truth is far less rosy.

