FA's throw boiling water on Air Mauritania hijacker
Feb 16, 2007, 1:55 pm
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I hope that the boiling water scars this guy for life.
It would be nice if the authorities put a bullet in his head as soon as he gets off the plane. There should be a zero tolerance policy for any type of attempted hijacking.
It would be nice if the authorities put a bullet in his head as soon as he gets off the plane. There should be a zero tolerance policy for any type of attempted hijacking.
Feb 16, 2007, 2:27 pm
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I'd also assumed he knew which end of the gun produced 'oowies', but perhaps the whole situation was safer than it appeared? :_)
Feb 16, 2007, 2:31 pm
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You said:
I asked for a cite or reference and you said:
So, I'll take that as "no, I got nothing" then.
Originally Posted by LessO2
My point was to demonstrate how crew smarts and passenger rebellion can happen anywhere, and the TSA doesn't want you to think that way.
Originally Posted by LessO2
Look it up yourself, and label it whatever you want.
Feb 16, 2007, 2:45 pm
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It's called THINKING.
If you have some incessant need to have someone like CNN, Fox News or MSNBC to validate things, that's an issue greater than any frequent-flier discussion board will ever be able to handle for you.
I'll take what you say as "yes, I'm a troll" then.
Feb 16, 2007, 4:00 pm
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Good thing we're wasting tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars on the FAM program here in the US, when it has been obvious ever since 9/11 that passengers/FAs would thwart any future terrorist attack that a FAM could thwart... This case is a great example.
Feb 17, 2007, 3:10 pm
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Actually, that's where avoiding knee-jerk reactions, taking 2 seconds to think about the likely tone, can be helpful.
Feb 17, 2007, 3:21 pm
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Feb 17, 2007, 3:50 pm
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How so, you ask? Well, let me tell you-
On this one you have a yahoo waving two pistols around that obviously has less than a clue as to what is going on. They are alone and looking for a free ride. They are stupid and lackadaisical.
al Qaeda, on the other hand, operates in teams. They train, incessantly, on achieving their tactical and strategic goals. They have a plan and they execute it ruthlessly. They are smart and not the least lackadaisical.
Next time you fly imagine a hijacking happens. Most likely it'll happen up front, so if you're in the back you're out of the fight before you can even get in it. It will be all over but the shouting by the time you 1) even know what's happening and 2) can get up front to leap into your remarkable action.
But, let's assume you're close enough to the action to do said leaping - are you going to? By yourself? Or do you somehow envision that everyone will jump up at the same time? You better hope they do, because if they don't you'll be conspicuous, to say the least. And conspicuous in this kind of event generally means "target." Ask the poor Israeli guy that jumped up on 9/11 by himself. He got hisself killed within seconds. It took United 93 25 minutes and a vote to get rolling. They had to plan, get pumped up, talk each other into action, etc.
If I was a bad guy I'd never let anyone talk, plan, plot or conspire. I'd kill several people from the get-go to get everyone down. Anyone looks funny, execute them. Anyone talks, executed. Anyone moves, executed. Whisper? Executed. And done so in a brutal, bloody manner. People have no experience with that. When it does happen they tend to shut down.
That kind of directed violence has yet to happen again since 9/11. A bunch of EDPs and hijackers not using violence is not an accurate methodology to determine how normal people will respond in the middle of a violent hijacking. Much like people jumped on EDPs on planes prior to 9/11 (they even beat one to death) but once faced with 9/11 they got their heads down. Because they were scared, and rightfully so.
Intellectually everyone says they'll fight back, but intellect goes right out the window under adrenal stress, which is why the military and LE spends millions of dollars and thousands of hours training people to react instinctively.
To say it'll never happen again because people know what will happen is to ignore the lessons of history. You can watch videos of Jewish prisoners walking into the gas chambers, knowing what was happening, but not really believing it. Over and over again.
You don't rise to the level of your expectations, you fall to the level of your training.
Feb 17, 2007, 4:35 pm
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To say it'll never happen again because people know what will happen is to ignore the lessons of history. You can watch videos of Jewish prisoners walking into the gas chambers, knowing what was happening, but not really believing it. Over and over again.
You don't rise to the level of your expectations, you fall to the level of your training.
To say it'll never happen again because people know what will happen is to ignore the lessons of history. You can watch videos of Jewish prisoners walking into the gas chambers, knowing what was happening, but not really believing it. Over and over again.
You don't rise to the level of your expectations, you fall to the level of your training.
I'm gonna steal the whole thing and post it on my blog and spam the biggies on the web with it. Absolutely worth reading all the trip for six months to get to that.
Feb 17, 2007, 4:57 pm
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