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First of all, I don't think the OP knows what OCR is.
OCR stands for optical character recognition. Basically it's a piece of software that will recognize ordinary text for what it is. Banks have it to get account numbers from checks, border crossings have it to read information like: P>COUNTRY>LASTNAME>FIRSTNAME>>>>>>>>>>>> PASSPORTNUBMER#>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically if the OP has these 2-3 lines with a similar format, then the passport is machine-readable. If the passport was created by hand (everything written by hand) then I'd like to see such a passport :). Oh btw... barcodes and RFID are not the same thing :). |
My 0.02...
I have a passport from, let's say a developing country.. and all the data has actually been filled out by hand (nice clear block letters though) - not even typed. Needless to say, it is not machine-readable in that it does not have the information ">>>>>NAME>>>>" etc. on any of the original pages. However, I do have a few visa that do have that information in that format. What I've noticed is that the US Immigration officer will usually flip to a visa that does have that information at the bottom, scan it through, and then go back and correct some of the information (or delete extraneous information)... Of course, I'm not sure if the rule, if there is one, states that the information MUST be contained on the original passport pages... |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 7094250)
Why do you assume I'm being difficult? I don't like any type of encoding on my document...I don't want my movements tracked or encoded on my passport. There is nothing difficult about it - it's either valid or invalid.
When I get a passport with a RFID chip, rest assured I will destroy the chip inside and make it unusable. cheers howie |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 7094856)
No, I don't think it's absurd to state that Canada doesn't need to know where I travel to. They have no jurisdication over me anymore. I don't live there and my residency is long abandoned. They can know when I enter or leave Canada, but I don't think it's any of their business if I take a trip to a third country. I am a US resident, so that information would be germaine to and available to ICE here. Once my naturalization is completed here, I will continue to abide by the laws of this country because I live here, but it doesn't mean I won't use all legal and available means to protect my privacy and my activities from prying eyes as many US citizens currently do - and more are likely to do in the future as the level of monitoring is stepped up. I don't need Canada's permission to travel - the document was issued for the purpose of establishing proof of my citizenship to other countries and establishing the basis for my admittance to those countries as a visitor. If they decide to revoke my passport, I can petition for temporary US documents so I can travel abroad. cheers howie |
Originally Posted by stockmanjr
(Post 7095769)
I hate to tell you this but your still a canadian citizen and therefore bound by their rules. I would suggest you renounce your canadian citizenship if you feel so strongly about this. The truth of the matter is any customs agent can figure out where you have been by a simple request for your boarding passes.Unless of course you carry around fake boarding passes??
cheers howie Also, the Canadian government is nowhere near as extraterritorial in its approach as the US government is, so the claim that a former resident of Canada is bound by Canadian rules is not wholly accurate and can even be downright false too. The truth of the matter is that customs agents can't figure out where you have been merely by way of a simple request for boarding passes. And fake boarding passes don't even need to come into play for customs agents to go barking up the wrong tree. |
Originally Posted by stockmanjr
(Post 7095759)
I dont know canadian law but if you commit an offence of mutating your passport can the goverment then revoke the passport upon an attempted re-entry?
cheers howie |
In the name of "minimum passport security" some "security" types are even lining up to eliminate the ability to apply for a passport without stopping by for the applicant's photo being taken by government employees. That is, application by mail seems to have annoyed some "security" types.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 7095899)
Is that the fake "I hate to tell you this" line I read above?
Also, the Canadian government is nowhere near as extraterritorial in its approach as the US government is, so the claim that a former resident of Canada is bound by Canadian rules is not wholly accurate and can even be downright false too. The truth of the matter is that customs agents can't figure out where you have been merely by way of a simple request for boarding passes. And fake boarding passes don't even need to come into play for customs agents to go barking up the wrong tree. cheers howie |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 7095914)
In the name of "minimum passport security" some "security" types are even lining up to eliminate the ability to apply for a passport without stopping by for the applicant's photo being taken by government employees. That is, application by mail seems to have annoyed some "security" types.
cheers howie |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 7095899)
Also, the Canadian government is nowhere near as extraterritorial in its approach as the US government is, so the claim that a former resident of Canada is bound by Canadian rules is not wholly accurate and can even be downright false too.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 7094856)
Destroying my passport is not an indictable offense in Canada (nor do I believe it's one here either but I could be wrong), although destroying it might invalidate it though.
I refer you to the Canadian Criminal Code, specifically [R.S., 1985, c. C-46] Part XI s. 430, subsections 1.1 for the definition of the offence, and subsection 4(a) for clarification of its status as indictable, and of the related prison sentence (i.e. two years). Best not to argue law with lawyers. In case you don't have access to the resources, let me snip it for you: (1.1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully (a) destroys or alters data; (b) renders data meaningless, useless or ineffective; (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of data; or (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use of data or denies access to data to any person who is entitled to access thereto. (4) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property, other than property described in subsection (3), (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; |
Originally Posted by stevenshev
(Post 7095953)
Not former resident, current citizen --- big distinction.
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Originally Posted by stockmanjr
(Post 7095944)
Well it seems to me that it's just as easy to send a fake person with fake identifcation to get a passport at a post office as it is to mail it in. This sounds more like a rule that a union would come up with!!
cheers howie By the way, who said I was talking about the US government being intent on this change for US citizens? I didn't. US DHS is more intent that other countries do this for their citizens. |
Originally Posted by stockmanjr
(Post 7095941)
So wait when he enters canada they have no right to know where their own citizen has traveled?
cheers howie |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 7096032)
"Former resident" and "current citizen" are not mutually exclusive. And laws applicable to residents aren't necessarily applicable to current citizens who are "former residents", particularly so in Canada in a way that wouldn't be clear to most Americans as our government is one of the biggest believers in extraterritoriality around.
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