Granny speaks!
 

So, I'm already in my seat for my PHX-DFW flight yesterday, watching the circus that is boarding, when this lovely elderly lady arrives at her seat across from me. She is apparently in the aisle seat & doesn't want to have to get up when her row-mates arrive, so she stands in front of her seat, chatting to all of us around her. After announcing that she is 80 years old, she then proceeds to ask, in a wonderful deep southern accent, 'When will they get someone @ the checkpoint who knows the difference between toothpaste & something that will hurt someone?'

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When granny gets xray eyes and the ability to personally sniff explosives

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I wish Comrade Hawley had been on the plane. Maybe granny would have caned him like he so richly deserves.

Life experience

a nice one :D ^^^

glad to see the awareness level going up ^

just curious..... do you work for the TSA?

"I was only following orders" has been the mantra of many unsuccessful defendants over the years.

Classic.

When a gang member threatens to hurt me if I don't do what he says, I will likely be mad at his boss as well, but I'm probably going to not think so highly of him either. I doubt you would either.

It's the same as people who hate the soldiers for the war in Iraq.

No they don't. They work to collect a paycheck. Nothing more.

The day that paycheck stops coming is the day they are gone to something else. If they cared at all about my protection, their "service" would be optional.

Because what they are doing is morally wrong and economically destructive, imho.

LOL. Awesome.

I bet you own a ton of Toby Keith albums.

Safer, wealthier, freer, etc.

and people keep saying that I am making it up that some folks on this forum want zero security

In a way the guy is sorta right. Why get pi$$ed at IRS agents? They didn't make the convoluted tax laws. TSA agents are working lawfully, in a regular job. They didn't make the assinine rules. They didn't decide that granny's toothpaste was a threat to western civilization.

Even so, I'll probably make some sort of remarks myself when I go through again this week. Kill the messenger I say!

Safer without security? No.
Safer without the TSA? Yes.

There is a major difference between security and circus which Komrade Kip tries to pass off as security.

Who said there would be no security?

You may want to check your needle 'cause I do believe you are a skipping...

How does not wanting the TSA = not wanting any security at all?

Do you always assume? (by the way, that was rhetorical)

Now that's using your head:rolleyes:

Get pissed? Not worth it.

Explain to them that what they do is wrong and counter-productive? Fruitless maybe. Truthful? Absolutely. No harm in trying should one care to, imho.

So are agents of all kinds of governments around this world. Many of which I imagine you'd consider highly immoral. That doesn't make what they do right or productive.

LOL. Nice. :D

To the extent it provides any, which is highly debatable, it does so in a way that is much less efficient, much less moral, and much more economically destructive than what existed before it and what would exist without it.

LOL. Now I know you're joking. Good one.

The same sheep who have a hard time thinking without Kip's help

Probably because you are.

If I am getting the message wrong, must be the fault of the messengers, because I am not the only one who reads it that way.

Just seems that there's only a couple people willing to stand up to the bullying

got that on a t-shirt yet? :rolleyes:

No one is bullying you.

The problem is that you believe that without the TSA, there would be no airport security.

This is so intellectually lazy, it's hard for anyone here to know how to help you out of this.

I hear people saying we don't need this war
I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground?
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start preaching
Let me ask you this my friend

CHORUS 1
Have you forgotten how it felt that day
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away?
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside
Going through a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it every day
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right

CHORUS 1
Have you forgotten how it felt that day
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away?
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside
Going through a living hell
And we vowed to get the ones behind Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

I've been there with the soldiers
Who've gone away to war
And you can bet that they remember
Just what they're fighting for

CHORUS 2
Have you forgotten all the people killed?
Yes, some went down like heroes in that Pennsylvania field
Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
All the loved ones that we lost
And those left to carry on
Don't you tell me not to worry 'bout Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?

BTW, I think granny was on the mark ^ ^ ^

Some of you pass the idea that any form of security is an infringement on your rights...No ID checks, no BP checks, no detectors, nothing.

Big 'ol giant open building that planes park at and anyone can come and go as they please.

If I got that wrong, it's the fault of the messenger

I attacked nothing - stop the drama :rolleyes:

No, it's not.

You made all of that up because you assume that if the TSA didn't handle airport security no one would.

Perhaps if you stopped assuming and actually read what was written you might find it unnecessary to blame others for your own comprehension problem?

just a thought...

I'm so tempted to make a comparison to the Nazi guards at Auschwitz, but that would be over the top, so I won't.

While the nature of the evil they do is lesser (owing simply to the fact that Americans currently have more economic liberty and therefore power to defend themselves from their government, for now), the root mentality is the same.

well this thread is just hilarious. comparing the TSA to us soliders and nazis. wasnt the OP about granny?

I'm glad more Americans, like the elderly lady mentioned, are speaking out against that joke of an organization we call the TSA.

A gang comes to your place of business with guns. Its leaders tell you they will protect you. You don't want them to do this. They insist and by force remain in the area and demand that you pay them. You don't want to, but in order to not be encaged or attacked, you pay them so that you obey and pay them so you can go about your business.

Is it moral for the gang to do this? Would you object to their doing it?

No one equated the TSA workers with Nazis. He just pointed out that their line of defense is exactly the same.

It is.

It starts with the idea that a human being has the right to forcibly make another human being do what he wants, against that person's will.

No one is equating the evil done by Nazis with that done by the TSA workers. What the TSA workers do is still immoral and destructive though.