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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
3.4oz x 10 other terrorist = enough of something to cause a problem.
But 33 fl. oz. isn't? Come on...

Okay, let's assume that 34 fl. oz. of certain chemicals brought by terrorists is "enough of something to cause a problem." So the TSA confiscates them, dumps them in a big trash bag together, and leaves them. They get rattled, shaken, carried around, etc. The tops on a few come unscrewed. The chemicals mix. If this mix would have had the power to blow up an airplane, it certainly has the power to blow up a portion of an airport. So bam! Security checkpoint gone. That essentially means the airport is shut down. Due to long lines at the security checkpoint, hundreds of people are crowded into a small area - the same small area that blew up. Hundreds of people are killed, more injured. Sounds to me like the terrorists who set out to kill hundreds of people accomplished their goal. So why are we letting TSA help them?
Terrorists could start to count on TSA's incompetence in this matter. Leave lightly screwed-on caps and let the TSA confiscate the liquid. Go on and take their flight. No suspicion will fall on them; thousands of bottles of liquids are confiscated every day.
The TSA is providing nothing more than the illusion of security. In no matter can our security be guaranteed.

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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 9:11 am
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That is seriously, the silliest thing I have read on here.

Now you want to assume all liquids are flammable?
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
3.4oz x 10 other terrorist = enough of something to cause a problem.
Great argument! That should silence all the pro-liquid idiots here.

But wait ... what if there were 11 terrorists?
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
3.4oz x 10 other terrorist = enough of something to cause a problem.
Prove it.

There are no existing "binary" liquids.

Die Hard movies don't make something a credible threat. How come we're not checking people for phasers?
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
How come we're not checking people for phasers?
Please don't give this idiotic agency any more ideas!!!
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
This might not be it. At least it's a step.
Its a step in the wrong direction!

if you read through all the TSA related threads, there are several good
suggestions there... including investment in explosive detection technology
and cargo screening.... but

Money is wasted for a lot of useless things while obvious is overlooked
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:03 am
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Oh yeah, every business and governmental agency listens to and does exactly what they're told to do from internet website forum posters.

Happens daily
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
I'm not saying the ban is effective. Nobody knows that for sure.

Including you guys.

What do you propose? Let people check 55 gallon drums?

We need to have something.

This might not be it. At least it's a step.
No, we don't need to be "just doing something". That's not security. That's putting on a display and a waste of resources.

Until Comrade Hawley proves the existance of a so-called binary liquid explosive, he's a liar. No such thing exists.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:14 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell

How do you know?
common sense
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
How do you know its a step in the wrong direction?

To implement something effective takes time.

Until then, we have what we have.

When you know:
- the facts were twisted
- claims dont hold up

and when you are told your water lethal...
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
Nobody can know if the current procedures have prevented an attack.

How do you know? You dont.

We can't know.
Nobody knows if my magic rock is responsible for preventing the attacks either. And my magic rock cost far less than the TSA.

So should we replace the TSA with my magic rock?
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
What do you propose? Let people check 55 gallon drums?
Which, actually, is completely legit today assuming proper tariffs are paid.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by zjbell
Nobody can know if the current procedures have prevented an attack.

How do you know? You dont.

We can't know.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe in magic.

I believe in the scientific method and citing one's sources. Comrade Hawley has failed to do either and other scientists agree with me, that his liquid idiocy is just that: idiocy.

If you have some proof to the contrary, I'd be pleased to listen.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by zjbell
How do we know an attack has not been prevented by the ban on liquids?

Or SSSS?

Or the ID check?

We don't know, so why stop doing it?
Because "those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Richard Jackson, in a letter from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania, 1755
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by SQFreak
Because "those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Richard Jackson, in a letter from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania, 1755
Actually, that quote was originally Ben Franklin's

Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations.

AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (170690)
QUOTATION: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
ATTRIBUTION: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963).

This quotation, slightly altered, is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty: They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.



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