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I sometimes use my Hong Kong Identity Card as ID -- it is a government issued with a photo --- can recall Columbus, OH no problems but in LGA had problems of all places I would expect them to be familiar with Hong Kong identity documents, not Ohio.

Needless to say, the HKID does not have an expiration date. It only has the issuance date twice in two formats one in smaller font than the other, so it confuses some screeners as the date is from years ago in international format. It does not expire as it is my permanent identity. Typically they are issued to residents and/or HK passport holders, thus no need for an expiration as it really just reflects resdiency which you had to have in the first place in order to get it with some exceptions. Though, my identity does not change thus "permanent" ---- mine does not say permanent since I am not a current resident of HK...boo hoo



I think most think of valid as current or applicable thus within expiration.

That would be interesting if TN and some other staes do not put expiration dates on their DL's --- makes for interesting conversation with TSA screeners....traveller would be in the right and TSA in the wrong--makes you feel good that you won the arguement --- maybe they are dropping the "valid" wording since no one can find it in writing anywhere?

I've had ID checkers squint their eyes and cran their necks looking for an expiration date on the ID I usually use which is issued by DOD (not the CAC but close). There isn't one! They seem more upset about that than anything. Only twice have I been challened about it not being a "goverment ID" so I just point out the warning on the back of the card: 'This identification card is property of the US Government'. Mind you, this was the same person that didn't quite "get it" that Baby boy Jonesing's boarding pass in the ticket jacket (he swiped the whole thing from me) in the name of JONESING/BABY INFT is for the BABY hence no, we don't have a photo ID for that pax because he doesn't need one!

Had a third-party moron claim my birth date was the expiration date on my DL in Tampa a couple months ago.

Not that it would have mattered to this particular TSA drone but California DLs are legally valid for 1-year past the printed expiry date.

I would love to see these uncultured morons deal with my friends Japanese ID which gives dates in the traditional format, based upon years of the Emeperor's reign.

Or ID from Taiwan.

We are currently in the year 95.
So today is December 2, 95 means December 2, 2006.

A PERSON'S IDENTITY DOES NOT "EXPIRE". Each human being is an utterly unique, irreplaceable individual. The old song is right, "There will never be another YOU". Even after death a person's unique identity remains, even if eventually unknown (till sometimes discovered)to all but the Lord.
His appearance or health may change, his address may change, he may change his name, citizenship, occupation or even his sex, BUT HE DOES NOT ACTUALLY BECOME SOMEONE ELSE.

Requests for "Valid photo Identification Cards" are merely really requests for CURRENT mini-dossiers (linked to mega-historic or past dossiers) on the exact place in the social fabric that unique person fills and or filled.

It is as true of even trees or animals as it is of people. There are no two trees of the same exact variety that are or ever were exactly identical in every respect to another tree of that exact same kind. What a challenge it must be to create an infinite variety of the same model!

As long as they are not in front of me in the line .

let me put it this way, in my 30 years in banking a valid i/d meant that it was not expired however, even if it is expired, it is still a gov't issued i/d.

the contractors are still doing it at sfo but they need to spend more time looking at the i/d then having a conversation with their counterpart while checking the i/d-let's put ti this way (and i know i'll go tot he penaly box for it) but rocket scientists they ain't.

I could have sworn that a sign at LAX back in August of this year (the very day all the hubub about liquids went into place) states that the ID expiration date must be within the last X days (I don't remember how many--30 perhaps??)

OK, has anyone else had this one: In Kansas, when you go to renew a Driver's License, they hand you a temporary license on a piece of regular white printer paper. It has a photo, a valid DL number, and an expiration date.

By all accounts, it's valid government-issued photo ID - no question about it.

I'm not really worried at all about handing it to MCI security. I'm sure they've seen these papers many times. I'm more worried about handing it over at LGA, SEA, IAD, or SFO. It sure as heck looks like I typed it up in Word, embedded a JPEG, and printed it on a cheap B&W printer.

I know I can simply bring my passport instead - I just don't ordinarily do that on domestic trips.

Also wonder how Hertz will react to this thing, but I guess that's off-topic for here...

Believe me it freaks some of the TSA's out too! At BOS a few weeks ago they really weren't sure what to think about it.

I carry my passport always for domestic.......just not worth the hassles otherwise.

Tennessee Driver licenses expire on your birthday. Good for six years. I can't recall where I read it but somewhere in the past I read that an expired passport was good for ID purposes. Not for travel though. Of course, this could have been before 9/11 and TSA so things may have changed.
Dave