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So the "non-credible threat" -- whatever that is -- involving football stadiums and imaginary dirty bombs on the internet is going to result in a prosecution. Good use of resources. :rolleyes:
What's next, prosecution for conspiracy to commit murder when someone posts on the internet that "They should bury the quarterback"? |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
So the "non-credible threat" -- whatever that is -- involving football stadiums and imaginary dirty bombs on the internet is going to result in a prosecution.
But nooo, it was no doubt done out of an abundance of caution. GMAFB :mad: |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
So the "non-credible threat" -- whatever that is -- involving football stadiums and imaginary dirty bombs on the internet is going to result in a prosecution. Good use of resources. :rolleyes:
What's next, prosecution for conspiracy to commit murder when someone posts on the internet that "They should bury the quarterback"? I'm not implying that the guy should be in jail, but what kind of steps do we need to put in effect to keep people from crying wolf like this? It could be seen as an attempt to incite panic. |
Originally Posted by etch5895
Another way to look at this, though, is how different is this from yelling fire in a theater. I know, the immediacy is not there, but would the person starting the rumor not reasonably expect some kind of similar response?
I'm not implying that the guy should be in jail, but what kind of steps do we need to put in effect to keep people from crying wolf like this? It could be seen as an attempt to incite panic. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
So the "non-credible threat" -- whatever that is -- involving football stadiums and imaginary dirty bombs on the internet is going to result in a prosecution. Good use of resources. :rolleyes:
What's next, prosecution for conspiracy to commit murder when someone posts on the internet that "They should bury the quarterback"? |
Sorry, but calling in a bomb threat should be a crime. It's dangerous, takes resources away from other important things (fighting crimes, fires, etc.) and highly disruptive.
I'm reminded of the story of a guy who was running late for his flight so he called in a bomb threat to delay it. I suppose you folks would say that that's acceptable because his threat wasn't "credible"? |
Originally Posted by Doppy
Sorry, but calling in a bomb threat should be a crime. It's dangerous, takes resources away from other important things (fighting crimes, fires, etc.) and highly disruptive.
I'm reminded of the story of a guy who was running late for his flight so he called in a bomb threat to delay it. I suppose you folks would say that that's acceptable because his threat wasn't "credible"? |
Just found this, I think this is the original threat post:
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/1...y-bomb-threat/ While it doesn't look very credible, it is quite specific (though some of the specifics are simply wrong), so I suppose one has to balance those two. In other words, it's not like he said "there may be a dirty bomb attack somewhere at some time..." instead it was a specific threat against a specific location at a specific time. Government officials and stadium owners reacted to that and spend a bunch of time and money. (Maybe a civil penalty would be in order.) (Note that the tag line below the username is like the tag lines below FlyerTalk usernames that get automatically added - e.g. FT Evangelist - except this is the equivalent of "newbie".) |
Originally Posted by Spiff
Every time Comrade Chertoff, aka the little piece of dog crap's nonsense is posted on an internet site, I feel like his terrorist training camp is extending into cyberspace.
May you rot in Hell, Comrade Chertoff. You are quite possibly the worst so-called American to ever live. :td: :td: |
Entitled as he may be to dual-citizenship, Chertoff is American. And he has been American from the day he was born. And most of my Israeli-American friends are not fans of his either.
As with other Americans that are part of government who happen to be apologists for the current wastefulness, his dealings are probably less about ideology than it is about the revolving door that leads to money. He's always been a self-serving tool. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
...does anyone have URLs for the purported threats posted or knowledge of where they were posted at and/or how they were disseminated and to whom and by whom they were disseminated? I would like to know that information to understand if this is or is not akin to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater or calling in a bomb threat to delay a flight.
Here's the text for those who haven't seen it. Decide for youself if this was a real threat or just some pimply nerd trying to impress his cyber-buddies. On Sunday, October 22nd, 2006, there will be seven "dirty" explosive devices detonated in seven different U.S. cities; Miami, New York City, Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, Oakland and Cleveland. The death toll will approach 100,000 from the initial blasts and countless other fatalities will later occur as result from radioactive fallout. The bombs themselves will be delivered via trucks. These trucks will pull up to stadiums hosting NFL games in each respective city. All stadiums to be targeted are open air arenas, excluding Atlanta's Georgia Dome, the only enclosed stadium to be hit. Due to the open air, the radiological fallout will destroy those not killed in the initial explosion. The explosions will be near simultaneous, with the cities specifically chosen in different time zones to allow for multiple attacks at the same time. The 22nd of October will mark the final day of Ramadan as it would fall in Mecca. Al-Qaida will automatically be blamed for the attacks. Later, through Al-Jazeera, Osama bin Laden will issue a video message claiming responsibility for what he dubs "America's Hiroshima". In the aftermath civil wars will erupt across the world, both in the Middle East and within the United States. Global economies will screech to a halt. General chaos will rule. |
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
Not even close to your two suppositions. It was a post on an internet bulletin board; following posts on the same board discussed it and dismissed it as a joke. Obviously not smart, but for the DHS/FBI to treat it seriously boggles the mind. Assume for just 1 moment it hadn't been a hoax, why on earth would the perps give advance warning en clair and in English ?
Here's the text for those who haven't seen it. Decide for youself if this was a real threat or just some pimply nerd trying to impress his cyber-buddies. "I would like to know [the URLs for the purported threats posted or knowledge of where they were posted at and/or how they were disseminated and to whom and by whom they were disseminated] to understand if this is or is not akin to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater or calling in a bomb threat to delay a flight." (I certainly had no reason to guess that this was actually akin to either shouting "fire" or screaming "bomb" nor have I hitherto claimed that it actually is akin to such.) I didn't guess either way other than to accept that this was not a credible threat, which is the exact same conclusion that the FBI field office staff in Wisconsin and Illinois accepted. It seems we are now dealing with higher-up government officials interested in grandstanding in a matter not involving a credible threat but that said officials believe requires "sending a message" yet again. :eek: (I am not defending the government nonsense here.) |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
What suppositions was I making in that part of my quote? :confused:
I deemed it to not be even in the same arena. Apolgies if I misconstrue. |
Regardless, true, unspeakable "embarassments" tend to get to ride out the election, then get shown the door afterward.
A la Michael Powell and the FCC in Jan 2005. Regardless of what one thought about his tenure or abilities, one quick tour of the embarassing "homage to Michael" that was the FCC's web site provided easy-to-understand clarity about where the FCC's head was at. And the percentage of FCC resources that were going into promoting him versus the time/effort going into furthering tele-communications. Meanwhile, the telco industry was in freefall. And what had been a strong industry contender ended up getting merged into Alcatel. The writing was on the wall for him a year before he was booted. But he got to ride out the election until it was politically easier to dump him as part of the "routine" change in staff. Took less than 30 days for the FCC to gut the web site and get back to the business for which they were commissioned. |
Attention K-Mart Shoppers!
Hunting season on 2nd administration failures has opened early. Honorary Grand Marshall for this cycle's parade is Rumsfeld. Should be interesting to see just who else is shown the door between now and when the new congress is seated. Quite easy and convenient to "off" embarassments during the holiday season when the news focus is elsewhere. And the more you push out before Congress is seated, the more you proactively take the wind out of any pesky investigative hearings. Any one else thinking Chertoff and Hawley opt for that classic "choose to spend more time with their families" this holiday season, and beyond? Any other opinions or possible "dead career walking" candidates? |
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