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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 12:49 am
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Originally Posted by studentff
I've done the same several times and felt the much same way. As a sick game, I've taken to seeing how much water I can chug in one swig at the checkpoint entrance. I'm up to a full 600 mL bottle. I wonder what anyone would say if they saw me chug 1L-2L of water. And I wonder if I could actually do that much.
Before a transcon, I usually do 2x0.5 liters before security, 1 bottle after security and whatever I can get on board .
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by fschmidt
BTW, they have not found my toothpaste tube yet.
If it's plastic, it can stay in your pants pocket, provided it's small enough.
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by TierFlyer
Reallly? So by having thousands of "I know better" people clog the security lines at the airport and making me miss my daughter's choir practice you think that you can make Congress do a better job?

Look, I wouldn't want the job of trying to design security around the way that (not so) modern airports are designed, with dozens of carriers, different regulations governing behavior, different unions involved, and, of course, people trying to blow up airplanes WITH US IN THEM every day.
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by bambi47
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why drink all you can before you through security?? Can't you buy water or whatever once you get through security?? You sound like you won't have anything to drink till you get to your destination. It all sounds a little childish to me.
24 - 0.5l bottles from Costco cost the same as 5 from concessions. There IS a difference
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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by bambi47
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why drink all you can before you through security?? Can't you buy water or whatever once you get through security?? You sound like you won't have anything to drink till you get to your destination. It all sounds a little childish to me.
A bunch of reasons (none childish IMO):

1. You have the drinks with you and they'll be thrown out otherwise, so
you might as well finish them.

2. You know there will be a significant delay before you can reasonably get
more drinks, either due to lines or shops being closed, or perhaps due to
a rush to your gate for a flight.

3. You prefer your own drinks that you have brought, for reasons of
aesthetics, cost, dietary restrictions, hygiene, or convenience.

4. Some in your party dehydrate quickly (children, pregnant women, etc.)
and need to drink at the last possible moment to minimize thirst.

...the only "childish" reason is to compete with other FT'ers as to quantity
and time.... But I'm also ok with that.

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Old Sep 10, 2006 | 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by lg10
Can you give us a hint about how that has worked?

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I would like to help you out with this one, heck, the TSA fired me so what do I care. Purel is in a plastic bottle. I don't believe there is anything metallic on the bottle. You walk through a METAL DETECTOR, not an x-ray. The machine cannot see what you have in your pockets. As long as what you have in your pockets is not metallic, you will NOT alarm. So you can carry your Purell, your plastic tube of toothpaste, not metal tube. Hell,you can even carry your pot through as long as you don't wrap it in aluminum foil.. Remember, you are only asked to remove METAL items from your person. You don't have to take out everything.
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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 12:03 am
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Originally Posted by lg10
A bunch of reasons (none childish IMO):

1. You have the drinks with you and they'll be thrown out otherwise, so
you might as well finish them.

2. You know there will be a significant delay before you can reasonably get
more drinks, either due to lines or shops being closed, or perhaps due to
a rush to your gate for a flight.

3. You prefer your own drinks that you have brought, for reasons of
aesthetics, cost, dietary restrictions, hygiene, or convenience.

4. Some in your party dehydrate quickly (children, pregnant women, etc.)
and need to drink at the last possible moment to minimize thirst.

...the only "childish" reason is to compete with other FT'ers as to quantity
and time.... But I'm also ok with that.

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I think maybe you misunderstood me or I misspoke. I'm not saying that its childish to bring your own drink. What I'm saying is that you should only bring enough to get you to security. You can always get some once inside. And I don't think anyone has ever dehydrated while in the line at the checkpoint. Also, children can bring in juice boxes, etc. Why don't you drink them if your very thirsty and have a child with you, or those little 8 ounce bottles of water that they have for kids. Believe me, your not gonna get arrested for drinking your kids drinks. Screeners think this rule is as stupid as you do.
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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 12:13 am
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Originally Posted by catocony
Then, maybe, eventually, one of the nazis at DHS will start to get the point and realize that the government works on behalf of the people, not against the people. We all want security, but we shouldn't have to put up with wasteful rules and regulations that not only don't help security, but actually hurt it.
^ Great post ^

If I could find out when my congress critters were flying to/from DC, I would book the same flights and purposefully get in front of them at the security line just so they could wait on me for a change. About time they had to suffer some of the same foolishness that the rest of us do.

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Originally Posted by bambi47
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why drink all you can before you through security?? Can't you buy water or whatever once you get through security?? You sound like you won't have anything to drink till you get to your destination. It all sounds a little childish to me.


So you like paying $3 or more for a bottle of water to "support" the antics of the TSA when you already have perfectly good water that only a moronic tyrant would take away from you?


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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by studentff
I've done the same several times and felt the much same way. As a sick game, I've taken to seeing how much water I can chug in one swig at the checkpoint entrance. I'm up to a full 600 mL bottle. I wonder what anyone would say if they saw me chug 1L-2L of water. And I wonder if I could actually do that much.

As to the OP, it doesn't seem that odd to me. I think you'll see more bizzare but generally harmless behavior by FFs as they get more frustrated and have no outlet to make things better.

Oh, and the guy didn't necessarily waste $ on the bottle. I refill water bottles many times from my (filtered) tap at home and work. I use some for months. So it may actually have been tap water and a bottle he was just done with. There are usually several empty bottles in my car that are of questionable age and ownership that I wouldn't want to drink from; sacrificing one of those at a checkpoint would be no loss at all.
Hey, just a mild caution. You can kill yourself that way. It's called Hyponatremia-fluids to electrolyte imbalance. I spent several hours in an emergency room after drinking too much water. I'd never heard of it until then.
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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 6:04 am
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Originally Posted by bambi47
I would like to help you out with this one, heck, the TSA fired me so what do I care. Purel is in a plastic bottle. I don't believe there is anything metallic on the bottle. You walk through a METAL DETECTOR, not an x-ray. The machine cannot see what you have in your pockets. As long as what you have in your pockets is not metallic, you will NOT alarm. So you can carry your Purell, your plastic tube of toothpaste, not metal tube. Hell,you can even carry your pot through as long as you don't wrap it in aluminum foil.. Remember, you are only asked to remove METAL items from your person. You don't have to take out everything.

Yes, that is true, however, the Purel was always kept in my bag, which went through the X-Ray. One of the segments, I forgot a bottle of water in my bag, and they opened it, took the water out, did a swab, and still didn't discover the Purel.
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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by lianluo
Hey, just a mild caution. You can kill yourself that way. It's called Hyponatremia-fluids to electrolyte imbalance. I spent several hours in an emergency room after drinking too much water. I'd never heard of it until then.
Hmm. Hadn't heard of that one, so thanks for the heads up. Looks like I should keep my single-setting water intake to about a litre to give a wide margin to the 3-L fatality level. Chugging sports drinks w/ electrolytes instead of water also looks like a way to increase the amount you can chug in one setting.

From wikipedia .

Originally Posted by wikipedia
A person with two healthy kidneys can excrete about 1.5 litres of water per hour at maximum filtration (other studies find the limit to be as little as 0.9L/h [1]). Consuming as little as 1.8 litres of water in a single sitting may prove fatal for a person adhering to a low-sodium diet, or 3 litres for a person on a normal diet. However, this must be modulated by potential water losses via other routes. For example, a person who is perspiring heavily may lose 1 L/h of water through perspiration alone, thereby raising the threshold for water intoxication. The problem is further complicated by the amount of electrolytes lost in urine or sweat, which is variable within a range controlled by the body's regulatory mechanisms. Water intoxication can be prevented by consuming water that is isotonic with water losses, but the exact concentration of electrolytes required is difficult to determine and evolves over time
So drinking too much water really can be hazardous to your health; TSA should be pleased with itself for protecting us all with their ban and ensuring the the well-trained all-knowing flight-attendants can control our rate of intake of this dangerous substance. If/when in the future they decide we are mature/adult enough to carry our own water again, they should consider limiting us to a maximum of 1L "for our safety" so we don't kill ourselves in a water binge in celebration of the lifting of the water ban.

On a more serious note, what's a little scary is that when hiking (often alone), I've been known to chug about 1.5 L of water in one setting when near a water source where I can replenish my supplies. Of course, I'm sweating a lot too, which reduces the risk of water intoxication. But maybe I should be mixing in some powdered-gatorade when I do that.
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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by lianluo
Hey, just a mild caution. You can kill yourself that way. It's called Hyponatremia-fluids to electrolyte imbalance. I spent several hours in an emergency room after drinking too much water. I'd never heard of it until then.
It does on occasion kill people. The case I've heard of is people "studying" for a drug test.

Things we regard as safe are simply things for which the lethal dose is far beyond what we can normally consume. There is nothing that isn't lethal in sufficient quantity. (And I include air in that--the limit on deep-sea diving is when there is no longer any mix you can safely breathe.)
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Originally Posted by TierFlyer
Reallly? So by having thousands of "I know better" people clog the security lines at the airport and making me miss my daughter's choir practice you think that you can make Congress do a better job?
Maybe when you miss your daugher's choir practice, you will complain to the TSA, Congress, etc., that their stupid, ineffective, and window-dressing policies made you late. @:-)
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Old Sep 11, 2006 | 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by bambi47
I think maybe you misunderstood me or I misspoke. I'm not saying that its childish to bring your own drink. What I'm saying is that you should only bring enough to get you to security. You can always get some once inside. And I don't think anyone has ever dehydrated while in the line at the checkpoint. Also, children can bring in juice boxes, etc. Why don't you drink them if your very thirsty and have a child with you, or those little 8 ounce bottles of water that they have for kids. Believe me, your not gonna get arrested for drinking your kids drinks. Screeners think this rule is as stupid as you do.
I wish we could bring juice boxes or water for the kids...but they were
confiscated because our kids are not "infants". When I have my new baby,
I'm hoping that we will be able to bring "infant water" since I will be
breast-feeding - we won't need formula but we will need water. They
do make those little bottles of sterilized water. I don't intend to share with
TSA my opinion that the infant should get just-mommy-milk while Mommy
drinks the infant water.

Also, the reality is that FA's et al. are much more sympathetic to pregnant
women than to breast-feeding women carrying possibly-noisy-babies...and
pregnant women are more mobile, so while I've been able to hike down and
ask for (and usually get) extra water on recent flights, I suspect that those
options will decrease when the baby is born.

OTOH, we can always hope/pray that the water ban is lifted in the near
future....

--LG
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