No-fly list shenanigans
Aug 7, 2006 | 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by LessO2
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"The flight returned to Heathrow due to a security issue that needed to be resolved in London," he said. "It was not a security threat to the aircraft. The flight was in no danger."
Aug 7, 2006 | 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by LessO2
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"Out of an abundance of caution, Homeland Security determined the flight would not be allowed to land in Boston," a U.S. Homeland Security Department official said in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Aug 7, 2006 | 3:23 pm
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Then what's the point of the two interviews that every passenger must undergo prior to boarding a US Airline in London?
If they can't bother checking the idiot no-fly list, why do they bother asking to see your hotel room service receipt to prove that you stayed at the Sheraton? Why do they bother putting your name into some PDA and asking if you've had your laptop repaired?
If this person on the no fly list, "Is who he says he is" (as the TSA always puts it,) and succesfully answered two interviews worth of profiling questions, why is this individual on the no fly list at all?
This type of nonsense underscores the painful ineptitude of airport security... the TSA and ICTS.
If they can't bother checking the idiot no-fly list, why do they bother asking to see your hotel room service receipt to prove that you stayed at the Sheraton? Why do they bother putting your name into some PDA and asking if you've had your laptop repaired?
If this person on the no fly list, "Is who he says he is" (as the TSA always puts it,) and succesfully answered two interviews worth of profiling questions, why is this individual on the no fly list at all?
This type of nonsense underscores the painful ineptitude of airport security... the TSA and ICTS.
Aug 7, 2006 | 3:37 pm
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Don't you just love how CNN sugar coates the purpose of the list:
If it is meant to prevent people from boarding, maybe they should have something in the list that can actually pinpoint people and not just names?
The U.S. Transportation Security Administration's "no-fly" list was established after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to prevent people who may have terrorist ties from boarding commercial flights.
Aug 7, 2006 | 5:48 pm
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If the guy had been properly screened why not let him and the passengers continue. Notice his mom and sisters were not questioned. If he was really a terrorist couldn't he have given the contraband to them?
Would it be better to hijack a plane over London or Boston? Oh wait he had no way to do that.
If they could let Cat Stevens and Jose Pedilla land in the US why not this guy?
Would it be better to hijack a plane over London or Boston? Oh wait he had no way to do that.
If they could let Cat Stevens and Jose Pedilla land in the US why not this guy?
Aug 7, 2006 | 8:56 pm
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No security interview
Maybe things are getting less formal there. I flew back LHR-LAX (AA) about a little over a week ago and had no security interview (other than "Did you pack your bags?" at the ticket counter - but only the standard 2 questions).
Aug 8, 2006 | 3:06 am
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Originally Posted by sbrower
Maybe things are getting less formal there. I flew back LHR-LAX (AA) about a little over a week ago and had no security interview (other than "Did you pack your bags?" at the ticket counter - but only the standard 2 questions).
Aug 8, 2006 | 5:28 am
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The problem I've got with 'security interviews' as well as polygraphs, is that any liar worth their salt can beat them, while the average joe or jane will naturally get nervous when talking to authorities. A well planned attack is going to fill in all the holes and cover all the bases that a security person might ask, especially after conducting a dry run to figure out the security measures.
Aug 8, 2006 | 5:35 am
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Originally Posted by etch5895
The problem I've got with 'security interviews' as well as polygraphs, is that any liar worth their salt can beat them, while the average joe or jane will naturally get nervous when talking to authorities. A well planned attack is going to fill in all the holes and cover all the bases that a security person might ask, especially after conducting a dry run to figure out the security measures.
Aug 8, 2006 | 7:03 am
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Once?
Originally Posted by GUWonder
A real story (i.e., real personal experience from years ago) with little more than the dates (and perhaps individuals names) changed (i.e., even if a decades-old story) would work rather well -- especially if the prior purpose of a trip to the same or a similiar place was more "typical". The nitwit questioning will routinely fail to catch such. And if a terrorist has resolved his/her moral qualms (if any) about killing people, I doubt they'd have any more serious moral qualms about lying.
Even once? Anywhere in the world?
Aug 8, 2006 | 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
Bit harsh to blame this on Heathrow. According to BBC:
Abundance of caution. Hmmm. Not surprised she wants to remain anonymous - clearly this was a thwarted terrist attack in DHSspeak.
Abundance of caution. Hmmm. Not surprised she wants to remain anonymous - clearly this was a thwarted terrist attack in DHSspeak.
The biggest
goes to DHS on this, naturally.