Security and metal knives
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Security and metal knives
Not sure if this has already been posted, if it has, I apologise.
Sydney Morning Herald article
Two weeks ago, Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone caused a stir by ridiculing airplane security in a public speech. She derided much of post-9/11 airline security, especially the use of plastic knives instead of metal ones, and said a lot of what we do is to make people feel better as opposed to actually achieve an outcome.
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I seriously doubt that the plastic knifes is really adding anything to security.
For those that believe that this is a really making the skies safer they surely don't see the irony in the glass bottles of alcoholic beverages that is for sale in virtually all airplanes?
For those that believe that this is a really making the skies safer they surely don't see the irony in the glass bottles of alcoholic beverages that is for sale in virtually all airplanes?
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Originally Posted by par
I seriously doubt that the plastic knifes is really adding anything to security.
For those that believe that this is a really making the skies safer they surely don't see the irony in the glass bottles of alcoholic beverages that is for sale in virtually all airplanes?
For those that believe that this is a really making the skies safer they surely don't see the irony in the glass bottles of alcoholic beverages that is for sale in virtually all airplanes?
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Not really, if the FAA says no then that's what goes...
interestingly enough, metal knifes are allowed on all european flights that are not US Bound.
interestingly enough, metal knifes are allowed on all european flights that are not US Bound.
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Originally Posted by par
Not really, if the FAA says no then that's what goes...
interestingly enough, metal knifes are allowed on all european flights that are not US Bound.
interestingly enough, metal knifes are allowed on all european flights that are not US Bound.
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I think the plastic cutlery security issue is one that the US airlines actually embrace and support as it saves them money in not having to handle, wash and replace metal cutlery.
Just as ID checks help the airlines in preventing trading and misuse of tickets.
Two examples of practices that have increased since 9/11 that have nothing to do with security but everything to do with revenue protection.
Just as ID checks help the airlines in preventing trading and misuse of tickets.
Two examples of practices that have increased since 9/11 that have nothing to do with security but everything to do with revenue protection.
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That doesn't make sense, if this would be true how come they are still using metal forks?
The incremental costs of adding the knife to be washed with the fork and spoon is relatively minor vs. scrapping using metal utensils at all. While i haven't run the numbers, i find it hard to believe that there is economic value in substituting the knife only and not all the utensils.
Also, it doesn't explain why the european airlines (Scandinavian, Air France etc) all use all-metal utensils on all flights except the US bound flights where they use plastic knifes but metal forks and spoons.
This doesn't add up.
The incremental costs of adding the knife to be washed with the fork and spoon is relatively minor vs. scrapping using metal utensils at all. While i haven't run the numbers, i find it hard to believe that there is economic value in substituting the knife only and not all the utensils.
Also, it doesn't explain why the european airlines (Scandinavian, Air France etc) all use all-metal utensils on all flights except the US bound flights where they use plastic knifes but metal forks and spoons.
This doesn't add up.
Last edited by par; Nov 30, 2005 at 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by par
That doesn't make sense, if this would be true how come they are still using metal forks?
The incremental costs of adding the knife to be washed with the fork and spoon is relatively minor vs. scrapping using metal utensils at all. While i haven't run the numbers, i find it hard to believe that there is economic value in substituting the knife only and not all the utensils.
Also, it doesn't explain why the european airlines (Scandinavian, Air France etc) all use all-metal utensils on all flights except the US bound flights where they use plastic knifes but metal forks and spoons.
This doesn't add up.
The incremental costs of adding the knife to be washed with the fork and spoon is relatively minor vs. scrapping using metal utensils at all. While i haven't run the numbers, i find it hard to believe that there is economic value in substituting the knife only and not all the utensils.
Also, it doesn't explain why the european airlines (Scandinavian, Air France etc) all use all-metal utensils on all flights except the US bound flights where they use plastic knifes but metal forks and spoons.
This doesn't add up.
At the time the TSA relaxed the knife restriction to allow blunt, dull airline knives, we discussed the change here on Flyertalk. I'm too lazy to do a search, but it pre-dated the existence of this particular forum. Newstand is probably where the threads are located.
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Originally Posted by par
While i haven't run the numbers, i find it hard to believe that there is economic value in substituting the knife only and not all the utensils.
It's all plastic, all the time.
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Originally Posted by Cholula
Take a hop on a DL domestic FC flight.
It's all plastic, all the time.
It's all plastic, all the time.

And it has nothing to do with the TSA or FAA. All about $$$.
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
Same on every AA flight systemwide. All plastic, all the time.
And it has nothing to do with the TSA or FAA. All about $$$.
And it has nothing to do with the TSA or FAA. All about $$$.
That's exactly right.
It may have started as a security measure instigated by the TSA but the airlines enthusiastically embraced it when they found out how much money could be saved.

