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SpaceCoastBill Nov 9, 2005 5:30 pm

Checking in at Ft Myers airport was crazy. No discreet location, they had me rack the slide right there at the counter in front of a group that was behind me waiting to get to the ticket counter! Unreal.......




Originally Posted by StySho168
Excuse me so leaving some things out, when I say passangers not seeing it I, I'm talking about other passanger, people passing by; that's why I said a passanger instead of the passanger....not the owner of the firearm. You just have some passangers that would see it in a controlled environment, and freak out.


StySho168 Nov 9, 2005 5:45 pm

This is the one thing that I hate about jobs like this, things aren't consistent. So far I've worked 4 different terminals at JFK since I worked for TSA there, and things are different in each terminal...which really makes no sense to me at all.

At T9 why did they check the gun at the ticket counter? Well I can tell you this. I worked T9 for 5 hours one day, and they way baggage is done there is different than any other terminal at JFK. T9 has this new baggage system that's very confusing. Once you give your bag to the ticket agent, that's it. The screeners there don't physically see the bag; everything is done onscreen...unless it's alarms a type that nobody can clear. I saw the insides of the baggage system, because I asked somebody to give me a tour of the facilities before I left, and I'll say again it's a very confusing, maze like system.

SpaceCoastBill Nov 11, 2005 10:15 pm

In that system, what do you do when you find a gun in the bag.... or for that matter who cares?.. If its in checked luggage and nobody can get ahold of it....

Since bags wiith guns are required to be locked, how do you get to a bag to inspect it... and how do you get the owner there to open it for you?



Originally Posted by StySho168
This is the one thing that I hate about jobs like this, things aren't consistent. So far I've worked 4 different terminals at JFK since I worked for TSA there, and things are different in each terminal...which really makes no sense to me at all.

At T9 why did they check the gun at the ticket counter? Well I can tell you this. I worked T9 for 5 hours one day, and they way baggage is done there is different than any other terminal at JFK. T9 has this new baggage system that's very confusing. Once you give your bag to the ticket agent, that's it. The screeners there don't physically see the bag; everything is done onscreen...unless it's alarms a type that nobody can clear. I saw the insides of the baggage system, because I asked somebody to give me a tour of the facilities before I left, and I'll say again it's a very confusing, maze like system.


EMSHighway Nov 12, 2005 7:55 am


Originally Posted by billinaz
New York State/New York City law was not the issue in my case.

1.) I can carry a gun concealed anywhere in the US and its territories. No local law can change that.

Perhaps a long arm but not a hand gun. You must posses a valid NYS handgun permit, NYC you must have a carry or target permit. PAPD wants to clear all weapons being declared. Same problem at LGA.

SpaceCoastBill Nov 12, 2005 8:16 am

See one of my posts above for the text of the LEOSA act.

Yes, I can carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the US. Its Federal law and the communist laws of NYC cannot change that, they just have to (and had to) accept that.

Who cares what PAPD wants, its not their job to clear them, they are just loooking for a way around the 4th amendment. All they did in my case was cause me grief between the uninformed PAPD office, and the even less informed TSA supervisor who wanted to enforce local laws instead of federal law, and who did not follow TSA procedure in regards to a bag that did not set off an alarm and just hapened to have a handgun in it.






Originally Posted by EMSHighway

Originally Posted by billinaz
New York State/New York City law was not the issue in my case.

1.) I can carry a gun concealed anywhere in the US and its territories. No local law can change that.

Perhaps a long arm but not a hand gun. You must posses a valid NYS handgun permit, NYC you must have a carry or target permit. PAPD wants to clear all weapons being declared. Same problem at LGA.


LessO2 Nov 13, 2005 9:43 am


Originally Posted by billinaz
Who cares what PAPD wants, its not their job to clear them, they are just loooking for a way around the 4th amendment.

Port Authority Police are just like NYPD, except their jurisdiction is at LGA, JFK, EWR, World Trade Center, Port Authority Bus Terminal, etc.

Welcome to New York.




Originally Posted by billinaz
All they did in my case was cause me grief between the uninformed PAPD office, and the even less informed TSA supervisor who wanted to enforce local laws instead of federal law, and who did not follow TSA procedure in regards to a bag that did not set off an alarm and just hapened to have a handgun in it.

The TSA thing is a valid beef. I hope you're following through to your Republican representatives in WDC.

SpaceCoastBill Nov 13, 2005 12:25 pm

I knew that PAPD was essentially an arm of NYPD. Just a local agency.

After getting no response to my TSA complaint, I sent them an expanded one yesterday and found they have an email address for civil rights violations as well....


I got calls from the NRA-ILA, and the lawyer I talked with had me send them things, and they are working on addressing it too.

Glad I moved away from NY, I lived in the land of Chuck Schemer.....I mean Schumer.

Its pretty bad when the Department of Justice notifies them that they are doing something wrong, and they still continue, and will until they are forced to stop.

It makes me think that they are arresting people for doing what they are doing... not obeying the law.

Here is the letter form the DOJ:

http://www.nysrpa.org/FOPA-DOJltrTSA.pdf

FliesWay2Much Nov 14, 2005 9:24 am

Nothing like a timely nearly two-year wait for a reply....

SpaceCoastBill Nov 14, 2005 9:56 am

Here is the reply I got: (Don't laugh too hard)

Thank you for your e-mail message. So that we can better assist you we encourage you to call us at 1-866-289-9673. Due to the unexpected high volume of calls we are receiving, you may experience a lengthy wait time during peak hours (7am through 5pm), please try calling during off-peak hours.


If you are outside the United States and cannot use the toll-free number, please call us at 1-571-227-2900.



(The great thing is that you cannot get in touch with anyone at this number. You cannot even get in a hold que. You just get a fast busy or "all circuits are busy now, try again later")

We encourage you to visit our website at www.tsa.gov for additional information about TSA. All travelers, and particularly those who travel infrequently, are encouraged to visit the section on travel tips before their trip. The website has information about prohibited and permitted items, the screening process and procedures, and guidance for special considerations, that may assist in preparing for air travel. You can find these tips and more at www.tsa.gov under the Travelers & Consumers section.

TSASCRNR Nov 16, 2005 9:40 am

[QUOTE=billinaz]See one of my posts above for the text of the LEOSA act.

Yes, I can carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the US. Its Federal law and the communist laws of NYC cannot change that, they just have to (and had to) accept that.

Who cares what PAPD wants, its not their job to clear them, they are just loooking for a way around the 4th amendment. All they did in my case was cause me grief between the uninformed PAPD office, and the even less informed TSA supervisor who wanted to enforce local laws instead of federal law, and who did not follow TSA procedure in regards to a bag that did not set off an alarm and just hapened to have a handgun in it.








So why did you not simply identify yourself as a LEO or are you a unarmed LEO within nyc such as cuny public safety or some other agency and just happen to have a gun permit?

Something does not add up here, if you are in fact a LEO you would have identified yourself; the supervisor would have said have a nice day... and the papd officer would have never been called.

TSASCRNR Nov 16, 2005 9:45 am


Originally Posted by billinaz
I knew that PAPD was essentially an arm of NYPD. Just a local agency.

After getting no response to my TSA complaint, I sent them an expanded one yesterday and found they have an email address for civil rights violations as well....


I got calls from the NRA-ILA, and the lawyer I talked with had me send them things, and they are working on addressing it too.

Glad I moved away from NY, I lived in the land of Chuck Schemer.....I mean Schumer.

Its pretty bad when the Department of Justice notifies them that they are doing something wrong, and they still continue, and will until they are forced to stop.

It makes me think that they are arresting people for doing what they are doing... not obeying the law.

Here is the letter form the DOJ:

http://www.nysrpa.org/FOPA-DOJltrTSA.pdf

PAPD has nothing to do with NYPD, and is far from an ARM of NYPD. Port Authority is a dual state INDEPENDANT ORGANIZATION, their officers are trained in both nys and njs penal law.

The only thing PAPD has anythign to do with NYPD is they let some NYPD officers park in their the PAPD parking lots for free. thats the only ARM(slang for FREE)

TSASCRNR Nov 20, 2005 10:59 am

Looks like someone was impersonating a LEO?

Trying to pull a fast one?

:td:

TSASCRNR Nov 26, 2005 1:46 pm

Hello?

Fake LEO, where are you hiding?

24th ID Nov 28, 2005 11:51 am


Originally Posted by TSASCRNR
Looks like someone was impersonating a LEO?

Trying to pull a fast one?

:td:


Is that person you............kinda sounds like you are on other boards. HHHHMMMMMMMM. I bet the TSA IA would be interested in screeners impersonating LEO and running off at the mouth on public forums.

LessO2 Nov 28, 2005 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by 24th ID
Is that person you............kinda sounds like you are on other boards. HHHHMMMMMMMM. I bet the TSA IA would be interested in screeners impersonating LEO and running off at the mouth on public forums.

Oh, look at a couple of other threads and see how this guy asserts himself as an 'officer' and you get your answer.


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