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eyecue Aug 19, 2005 8:08 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
The problem is that we are not responsible for your mismanagement. The TSA mismanages time at checkpoints

How so? We go to work, we man the checkpoint, we screen passengers and luggage. No time mismanagement in that.

Bart Aug 19, 2005 8:09 am


Originally Posted by goaliemn
Well, technically, a MAC-11 isn't illegal. Its just illegal to bring past a checkpoint.. In my state, its legal to have a gun on the "non-sterile" side of the checkpoint. Once you cross the checkpoint, you enter federal territory.

Just being nitpicky ;)

I have gone into a screening line and had to run back to my car before for failing to remember to remove a prohibited item before getting into line. It does happen every now and then.

OK, I'll be nitpicky. You said, " if I put my mac-11 with 36-round 9mm clips in my carryon, and they find it" This means you are already inside the checkpoint and that the weapon was discovered as a result of airport security screening. At this point, my friend, you have violated federal law.

RichMSN Aug 19, 2005 11:04 am


Originally Posted by Bart
See a lawyer. Your options are to dispose of the item yourself or to surrender the item to the government for disposal. Your inability to manage your time is your problem not ours. The math is pretty simple.

Manage MY time? So when I show up at a peak time and there is ONE line open out of a potential three lines that could be open and I have to wait an extra 20-30 minutes, this is MY failure to manage time properly?

The problem with the lines could be mitigated substantially if the sheeple would stop taking off their belts and tennis shoes every time they go through. Imagine all the time savings that would result if people were told that they didn't have to remove non-profile shoes! Instead, screeners just stand and watch people get undressed unnecessarily.

I shouldn't have to budget an extra hour of my day to deal with this crap. If I fly 2-3x a week, that's an extra 4-6 hours of my life wasted.

michaelchertoff Aug 19, 2005 11:07 am


Originally Posted by RichMSN
Manage MY time? So when I show up at a peak time and there is ONE line open out of a potential three lines that could be open and I have to wait an extra 20-30 minutes, this is MY failure to manage time properly?

The problem with the lines could be mitigated substantially if the sheeple would stop taking off their belts and tennis shoes every time they go through. Imagine all the time savings that would result if people were told that they didn't have to remove non-profile shoes! Instead, screeners just stand and watch people get undressed unnecessarily.

I shouldn't have to budget an extra hour of my day to deal with this crap. If I fly 2-3x a week, that's an extra 4-6 hours of my life wasted.

Everytime I see someone use the expression "sheeple," I just think of the arrogance and perceived superiority the person using it must have, and pretty much just ignore them as being a rational participant in the process.

So I guess I am not too bothered about how much of your life you waste.

RichMSN Aug 19, 2005 11:07 am


Originally Posted by eyecue
How so? We go to work, we man the checkpoint, we screen passengers and luggage. No time mismanagement in that.

Except when there's a line 100 deep and 2 WTMDs are sitting unused -- but still there's always 3-4 people just standing around, doing nothing.

What incentive does the TSA have to process people quickly? If I wait for 10- minutes or 2 hours, you folks all get paid the same.

RichMSN Aug 19, 2005 11:09 am


Originally Posted by michaelchertoff
Everytime I see someone use the expression "sheeple," I just think of the arrogance and perceived superiority the person using it must have, and pretty much just ignore them as being a rational participant in the process.

So I guess I am not too bothered about how much of your life you waste.

People that take their shoes off without even wondering why they do it are sheeple. How else would you describe them?

And I couldn't possibly take seriously anyone who chose your screen name.

Superguy Aug 19, 2005 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by michaelchertoff
Everytime I see someone use the expression "sheeple," I just think of the arrogance and perceived superiority the person using it must have, and pretty much just ignore them as being a rational participant in the process.

So I guess I am not too bothered about how much of your life you waste.

Does anybody else see the irony in who's lecturing about "arrogance and perceived superiority"? :rolleyes:

michaelchertoff Aug 19, 2005 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy
Does anybody else see the irony in who's lecturing about "arrogance and perceived superiority"? :rolleyes:

You guys have a head start of years on me. Feel free to point out my shortcomings.. just don't be surprised when I puncture the balloon of hot air that has existed here unchallenged.

channa Aug 19, 2005 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by michaelchertoff
Everytime I see someone use the expression "sheeple," I just think of the arrogance and perceived superiority the person using it must have, and pretty much just ignore them as being a rational participant in the process.

Well, given how many Americans are in fact sheeple who fail to question much of anything, and that the term already has an entry in the Wikipedia, I wouldn't be surprised if it became a word in Webster's dictionary in a year or two.

michaelchertoff Aug 19, 2005 3:30 pm

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whirledtraveler Aug 19, 2005 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue
How so? We go to work, we man the checkpoint, we screen passengers and luggage. No time mismanagement in that.

The mismanagement would be evident if you (collectively) were introspective enough.

whirledtraveler Aug 19, 2005 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy
Does anybody else see the irony in who's lecturing about "arrogance and perceived superiority"? :rolleyes:

Yes, it is hilarious. I'm trying to imagine the depths of insecurity one would have to possess to adopt the name of a prominent government official and a lecturing tone on a message board. :D

channa Aug 19, 2005 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by michaelchertoff
{previously deleted racial slurs removed by moderator}

Um, there's no racial inference in the term sheeple, regardless what color their wool is.

As for Wikipedia, Wikipedia is definitely more progressive, and if it's a term there, the term may very well make it into a more authoritative dictionary in the future, as the language evolves.

michaelchertoff Aug 19, 2005 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by channa
Um, there's no racial inference in the term sheeple, regardless what color their wool is.

As for Wikipedia, Wikipedia is definitely more progressive, and if it's a term there, the term may very well make it into a more authoritative dictionary in the future, as the language evolves.

So only racial bigotry is impermissible? Got it.

Homo?

Chickenhawk?

Glad we have someone around to tell us which forms of slurs are and are not acceptible.

LessO2 Aug 19, 2005 4:48 pm

How about this entry?

Folks, please stop feeding him.


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