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#31
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Originally Posted by myrgirl
We're not talking about the technical medical definition of breast here and you know it. We're talking about the commonly known perception of the breast, or as GG accurately phrases it "the part the bathing suit covers." This screener is not touching any part of this woman's body that would be covered by an average, normal, everyday modern bathing suit or in other words - the part that sticks out.
) really screwed up is that you failed to understand that your TSA "textbook" definition of what constitutes a breast or genital doesn't mean a rat's eyelash to a person undergoing a pat-down, especially one for no good reason, such as "continuous screening" or a "random secondary."You can split hairs all you want. But, if a person believes you touched them in an inappropriate manner, you touched them in an inappropriate manner -- period. You can't make this issue go away.
#32
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Originally Posted by myrgirl
We're not talking about the technical medical definition of breast here and you know it. We're talking about the commonly known perception of the breast, or as GG accurately phrases it "the part the bathing suit covers." This screener is not touching any part of this woman's body that would be covered by an average, normal, everyday modern bathing suit or in other words - the part that sticks out.
#33
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Originally Posted by myrgirl
We're not talking about the technical medical definition of breast here and you know it. We're talking about the commonly known perception of the breast, or as GG accurately phrases it "the part the bathing suit covers." This screener is not touching any part of this woman's body that would be covered by an average, normal, everyday modern bathing suit or in other words - the part that sticks out.
Now, if you ran the palm of your hand across my upper chest parallel to the floor, that's a different matter.
#34
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
You can split hairs all you want. But, if a person believes you touched them in an inappropriate manner, you touched them in an inappropriate manner -- period. You can't make this issue go away.
Person's body is private. All of it.
Consider this. Some people choose to cover their faces because of their religious beliefs or to conceal a disfigurement. It is their choice. It must be respected. So face is, in fact, a private area. Clearly, same argument can be applied to touching.
Personally, because of my background and experience, I am very intense about the issues of liberty and privacy. I take exception with any secondary screening unless there is some level of individualized reasonable suspicion. By reasonable suspicion I mean an WTMD alarm, a hard to resolve image on the X-ray, or some other objective, clearly articulated reason. "Hunch" does not count, wearing baggy clothes does not count, flying one way does not count, etc.
Here is another question to ponder. TSA says that pat-downs are necessary to keep bombs off the airplanes. However, they only subject a percentage of people to it. Credibility gap already. Take it one step further. Suppose that a person, selected for seconadary, actually is a terrorist with a bomb. Does anybody seriously think that this person will quietly walk over and submit to secondary screening? More than likely, this person will detonate the bomb right then and there. So, in ortder for this "security measure" to be effective the person suspected of carrying a bomb must by physically restrained. I don't think anybody will agree to that. Airports would be empty.
So, what do the pat-downs really accomplish? IMO, the answer is: "Nothing."
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Originally Posted by red456
Also, a good hint for getting through: wear your pajamas and slippers to the airport, put your clothes through the machine, get them on the other end and go change in the bathroom!!!! Apparently, it's a procedure lots of college kids are using.

