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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 4:31 pm
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Question about SSSS

Is there any actual LAW that REQUIRES people who purchase a one-way ticket at the last minute (perhaps even at the airport counter) to be flagged SSSS on the boarding passes or is that just standard practice among the airlines?
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 6:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Is there any actual LAW that REQUIRES people who purchase a one-way ticket at the last minute (perhaps even at the airport counter) to be flagged SSSS on the boarding passes or is that just standard practice among the airlines?
I don't think anyone can answer that. We have now have secret laws in this country, so the people who do know can't say and the people don't know can't tell.
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 6:25 pm
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there is no law
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by TaxiApple
there is no law
How do you know?
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 8:33 pm
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How do you know?
A law would be public record, and we'd be able to see it.
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 9:20 pm
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Secret laws means our country (as a free society) is in major trouble. Are secret laws constitutional?
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 2:04 am
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Federal statutes permit the FAA to keep security research and development activities and regulations private. Thus the pre-TSA regulations regarding CAPPS -- all FAA issue -- have not been made public.

Therefore, the regulations could not be held to be unconstitutional because their status is derived from statutory authority. The only argument would be that the governing statute is unconstitutional, and that is an uphill battle (to say the least.)
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 9:31 am
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Therefore, the regulations could not be held to be unconstitutional because their status is derived from statutory authority. The only argument would be that the governing statute is unconstitutional, and that is an uphill battle (to say the least.)
Which is yet another reason to replace this current incarnation of our government. They have truly sold out the principles upon which this nation was founded.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:13 am
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How could you prove intent to violate a secret law?

Or is intent no longer required?
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:34 am
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How could you prove intent to violate a secret law?
The proof of intent is secret.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:35 am
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This is a gray area

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Is there any actual LAW that REQUIRES people who purchase a one-way ticket at the last minute (perhaps even at the airport counter) to be flagged SSSS on the boarding passes or is that just standard practice among the airlines?
Since flying is a priviledge and not a right you are subject to restrictions that can be imposed. If you are SSSS and dont like it then they will tell you not to fly. TSA means that "There's Still Amtrak" (just kidding). CAPPS was put together by the government and unless you could show that it is descriminatory then you would not have a leg to stand on. It is not without its issues though
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Since flying is a priviledge and not a right you are subject to restrictions that can be imposed. If you are SSSS and dont like it then they will tell you not to fly. TSA means that "There's Still Amtrak" (just kidding). CAPPS was put together by the government and unless you could show that it is descriminatory then you would not have a leg to stand on. It is not without its issues though
No problems here with CAPPS in prinicple. I have problems with the lame and invasive security measures used when CAPPS is implemented. Printing SSSS on boarding passes is simple pathetic. There must be a better way.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:49 am
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Lame??

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No problems here with CAPPS in prinicple. I have problems with the lame and invasive security measures used when CAPPS is implemented. Printing SSSS on boarding passes is simple pathetic. There must be a better way.
Lame and invasive? Isnt that an oxymoron? ? I guess that they could tatoo 666 on your forehead
We had a guy make it all the way to the gate with a home detention monitor on his ankle once. HE came in from another airport though.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Since flying is a priviledge and not a right you are subject to restrictions that can be imposed. If you are SSSS and dont like it then they will tell you not to fly. TSA means that "There's Still Amtrak" (just kidding). CAPPS was put together by the government and unless you could show that it is descriminatory then you would not have a leg to stand on. It is not without its issues though
Flying is a privilege afforded to people by the airlines. It is not a privilege that should be lorded over people by the government!
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Lame and invasive? Isnt that an oxymoron?
Lame in the fact that the SSSSelectee knows in advance that it is their lucky day (by the SSSS tatood on their BP). Invasive in the fact that they get the special wanding treatment for no fathomable reason and whatever search happens to their baggage.

Newsflash: if evil doers get their BP stamped prior to checkin and they know they will be selected, they can simply hand their knives/box cutters/whatever to a colleague who didn't get the SSSSpecial treatment.

Some argue that SSSS is a deterent. That is a truly pathetic argument. Who is deterred? When SSSS is advertised prior to entering the checkpoint, who is deterred?
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