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Old Sep 9, 2004 | 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Tell you what.. how about 100 men armed with knives versus 100 men with broken wine bottles?

See my point?
How about a small, highly trained and motivated group who knew they were going to die the morning they woke up against a bunch of people who are heading to a city for business or leisure?

But to answer your scenario, knife beats broken bottle.
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Old Sep 9, 2004 | 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by stimpy
Lawdog you are giving the terrorists far more credit than they deserve. They are not Green Berets, nor are they Chuck Norris. Call me over-confident, but I'm quite sure I could have taken out any of the 9/11 terrorists with what they were armed with. The reason they were successful on 9/11 was surprise. No one thought of suicide terrorists in the US at that time. Now we know and now we won't hesitate to react. If the terrorist manages to bring a semi-auto on board then yes the first few who fight back may get torn up. Otherwise I'm sure we can overwhelm anyone who brings a knife to a gang-bang.
Stimpy, you're right. They weren't green berets as we know green berets. But, they were Al Qaeda's version of such. Keep in mind that there was an Israeli soldier on one of the 9-11 flights. When the FA's started getting cut, he jumped up. He also got dead when the guys waiting for him to jump up slashed him from behind. I admire your will to fight, but please be more realistic. I think you need some more exposure to violence in order to speak authoritatively on the matter. Thank you again for your will. Now, train your body and your mind to keep up with it.
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 12:40 pm
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Did 1905 people get arrested ?

I do not understand why people who bring guns to airports (without proper documentation) are not arrested on the spot and taken to jail ? I am referrringto those who brought guns to the airport.

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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by TSAMGR
Speculation
Not really, there have been four cases in which unruly passengers have been subdued by other passengers since 9/11. They all resulted in deaths to the passenger that was freaking out and all but one have been ruled justifiable homicide.

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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by stimpy
Actually I have a fair amount of experience in violent crowd control so I'm sure of how I will react. And yes many passengers will not be in shape or have the will to act. But I believe that enough will on most any flight in the world. That's why I haven't been afraid at all to fly after 9/11.
Really? I'll pose the same question to you as I did to someone in another thread:

Ok, I'm going to interject some reality here. Your numbers and idea of a likely hijacking scenario are way off. Here is a more likely scenario as evidenced by current data:

Your number of 10 is pretty close. Ten hijackers that is. They will all be armed. Let's say two with handguns and eight with edged weapons. They are well trained, highly disciplined, martyrs in the making. They know they are going to die in the next 30 minutes. You, on the other hand, are watching another re-run on the video monitor. All of the sudden 10 men simultaneously stand up and kill the person sitting next to them and dump their bodies in the aisle. Four of them rush the flight deck, and six of them position themselves at the front of the plane. That took about 10 seconds, max. A passenger gets up from his seat in protest, BANG! he gets killed where he stands. You have 18" of bloody aisle and 10 dead bodies to negotiate before you can one-by-one engage the hijackers.

What will you do??? How many passengers are going to try and re-take the aircraft?? Are you willing to be first??
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Old Sep 10, 2004 | 3:55 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Not really, there have been four cases in which unruly passengers have been subdued by other passengers since 9/11. They all resulted in deaths to the passenger that was freaking out and all but one have been ruled justifiable homicide.

edit for typo
"Unruly passenger" does not equal "terroristic hijacking with violent deaths". World of difference.
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