TSA/Security article
#31
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,704
Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Tell you what.. how about 100 men armed with knives versus 100 men with broken wine bottles?
See my point?
See my point?
But to answer your scenario, knife beats broken bottle.
#32
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 10
Originally Posted by stimpy
Lawdog you are giving the terrorists far more credit than they deserve. They are not Green Berets, nor are they Chuck Norris. Call me over-confident, but I'm quite sure I could have taken out any of the 9/11 terrorists with what they were armed with. The reason they were successful on 9/11 was surprise. No one thought of suicide terrorists in the US at that time. Now we know and now we won't hesitate to react. If the terrorist manages to bring a semi-auto on board then yes the first few who fight back may get torn up. Otherwise I'm sure we can overwhelm anyone who brings a knife to a gang-bang.
#33

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Somewhere between Singapore and the US
Programs: Qantas Platinum, SQ Krisflyer PPS, UA 1p, Marriot Lifetime Platinum, American EXP
Posts: 989
Did 1905 people get arrested ?
I do not understand why people who bring guns to airports (without proper documentation) are not arrested on the spot and taken to jail ? I am referrringto those who brought guns to the airport.
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#34
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Colorado
Programs: TSA
Posts: 2,745
Originally Posted by TSAMGR
Speculation
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#35
Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA DL HH
Posts: 269
Originally Posted by stimpy
Actually I have a fair amount of experience in violent crowd control so I'm sure of how I will react. And yes many passengers will not be in shape or have the will to act. But I believe that enough will on most any flight in the world. That's why I haven't been afraid at all to fly after 9/11.
Ok, I'm going to interject some reality here. Your numbers and idea of a likely hijacking scenario are way off. Here is a more likely scenario as evidenced by current data:
Your number of 10 is pretty close. Ten hijackers that is. They will all be armed. Let's say two with handguns and eight with edged weapons. They are well trained, highly disciplined, martyrs in the making. They know they are going to die in the next 30 minutes. You, on the other hand, are watching another re-run on the video monitor. All of the sudden 10 men simultaneously stand up and kill the person sitting next to them and dump their bodies in the aisle. Four of them rush the flight deck, and six of them position themselves at the front of the plane. That took about 10 seconds, max. A passenger gets up from his seat in protest, BANG! he gets killed where he stands. You have 18" of bloody aisle and 10 dead bodies to negotiate before you can one-by-one engage the hijackers.
What will you do??? How many passengers are going to try and re-take the aircraft?? Are you willing to be first??
#36
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,704
Originally Posted by eyecue
Not really, there have been four cases in which unruly passengers have been subdued by other passengers since 9/11. They all resulted in deaths to the passenger that was freaking out and all but one have been ruled justifiable homicide.
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