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Old Aug 22, 2004 | 9:17 pm
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Slashdot article on TSA

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/08/2...&tid=1&tid=218
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 5:10 am
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The Slashdot article points to a full-length piece on MSNBC My Turn that I think just sums it all up:

The man who never broke a law in his life stretched out his arms, stared straight ahead and waited as the wand passed over him. I heard the beep as the wand passed his left wrist. Without asking permission, the screener pulled back my father's sleeve to reveal the $20 watch he had bought because it had big enough numbers to read without his glasses. That damn wand kept going. Down to my father's belt buckle where I heard another beep. Again, without a word, the screener yanked up my father's flannel shirt, slipped his hand down around the buckle and tugged on it. I watched helplessly, knowing that if I shouted out my increasing rage I'd humiliate my father even more. I could see Dad clench his jaw as the last tug on his belt nearly made him lose his balance. Did the screener really think my father might wreak havoc on a planeload of people?

I'm not blaming the airport screener. He was just doing as he's trained to do. And I haven't forgotten what a handful of maniacs did on American soil nearly three years agobut come on! Is this our best answer?


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There are indeed members of Congress and ordinary citizens who have come up with much better answers: fully fund translation services within the intelligence community, triple funding for more intelligence officers overseas, et cetera. Rep. Jim Turner of the Committee for Homeland Security has released an extensive plan along these lines, and not a word of it requires humiliating vulnerable elderly people at checkpoints.

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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 5:58 am
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Did the screener really think my father might wreak havoc on a planeload of people?
Short answer? YES.

Sheesh, when are people going to stop with the "well I wouldn't..." "well my father wouldn't..." "well a senator wouldn't..." Ok, we'll just make a list of you, your parents, and all the senators, and since none of you are a threat, we'll just let you skip the screening process altogether.

Seriously, though. The moment they start making exceptions for old people/children/priests/pregnant women/etc. is when that weakness will be recognized, and likely be chosen as a method to exploit. I, for one, am all for equal opportunity screening. If you want to be excempt, that's what the "trusted traveller" program is supposed to be for.

In my opinion, the "how dare they SSSS a child" or "how dare they SSSS that old man" whining is fairly ignorant.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 6:06 am
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Another emotional thread that distorts the truth. Well, why am I so surprised. The slashdot "article" clearly seeks to give an emotionally charged perspective ("burly airport screener" and "frail and faltering 78 year old"...oh please!) as opposed to an objective assessment of the screening process.

The challenge behind screening is to make no assumptions, especially with disabled or physically impaired people. What better way to sneak something past security than to play on sympathies people have for wheelchair bound passengers or nice little old ladies in tennis shoes? However, TSA policies allow for quite a bit of latitude and discretion when it comes to screening the elderly, persons with disabilities, young children and a wide range of people in special circumstances.

The problem may not be in the policy but in the screener's judgement or miscommunication between screener and passenger. One of the first things a screener needs to determine is if a passenger is able to stand up to undergo the screening process. This is usually done by asking the passenger directly. Problem is that some passengers are too proud to admit any physical limitations and may state that they can stand even though they really can't or shouldn't. That's why, as a rule of thumb, I instruct my screeners to keep passengers in the wheelchairs and screen them as if they can't stand up unless they insist on standing. Of course, the flip side to this is that an elderly person will then object to being treated like an invalid, and I've seen that happen as well.

It's very difficult to screen persons of these circumstances. Questions must be asked and many people are offended by them. For example, in most cases, these require a pat-down search as opposed to a hand wand search because the person either has a pacemaker or is too weak to stand for long periods of time. One of the first questions I ask is if there are any areas that are sensitive to the touch. I want to know before I ask a person to extend his arms and find out the hard way that his arthritic shoulder prevents him from doing so or that he has the gout and his foot is sensitive to the touch. It helps if the person accompanying the passenger with disabilities volunteers any information that will help us screen the individual without causing any discomfort or pain. However, many people feel that this is private and personal information, and that makes our job just a little bit tougher.

The answer is that we haven't lost common sense when it comes to screening. TSA bends over backwards to accomodate persons with disabilities, the elderly, children, people with working animals, people with religious sensitivities, and the many other sensitivities that characterize the politically-correct orientation of today's society.

The slashdot article is hyperbolic hogwash.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 7:10 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
The problem may not be in the policy but in the screener's judgement or miscommunication between screener and passenger. ...

It's very difficult to screen persons of these circumstances. Questions must be asked and many people are offended by them. For example, in most cases, these require a pat-down search as opposed to a hand wand search because the person either has a pacemaker or is too weak to stand for long periods of time. One of the first questions I ask is if there are any areas that are sensitive to the touch. I want to know before I ask a person to extend his arms and find out the hard way that his arthritic shoulder prevents him from doing so or that he has the gout and his foot is sensitive to the touch. It helps if the person accompanying the passenger with disabilities volunteers any information that will help us screen the individual without causing any discomfort or pain. However, many people feel that this is private and personal information, and that makes our job just a little bit tougher.
Bart, I understand your point that the TSA is attempting to reconcile its indecent searches with decent and humane behavior, but the plain truth is that the two are irreconcilable.

It is none of the government's business if I wear an implanted medical device, have trouble walking, have an intimate area piercing, etc. It is also none of the government's business if I am flying one way, or if there's metal in my shoes. Real threats can and must be identified far away from the airport gates, because aviation is not the only sector at risk. This indecent, inhumane, invasive, repulsive charade should end today.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by ChrisAtlanta
Short answer? YES.

Sheesh, when are people going to stop with the "well I wouldn't..." "well my father wouldn't..." "well a senator wouldn't..." Ok, we'll just make a list of you, your parents, and all the senators, and since none of you are a threat, we'll just let you skip the screening process altogether.

Seriously, though. The moment they start making exceptions for old people/children/priests/pregnant women/etc. is when that weakness will be recognized, and likely be chosen as a method to exploit. I, for one, am all for equal opportunity screening. If you want to be excempt, that's what the "trusted traveller" program is supposed to be for.

In my opinion, the "how dare they SSSS a child" or "how dare they SSSS that old man" whining is fairly ignorant.
Yes, Israeli airport security could learn a lot from us. Perhaps someday they will be as good as the TSA.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Yes, Israeli airport security could learn a lot from us. Perhaps someday they will be as good as the TSA.
Oh, yeah, because people here would never b1tch if they had to go through Israeli-style security screening, right?
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 9:18 am
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The second you exclude a group you open an exploit. It is unfortunate for the elderly or young but it needs to be done. Items have been found in a child's Teddy Bear. What's to say that elderly person is actually elderly and not a disguise (it is an extreme though but possible).

GradGirl, you are correct on one point (and only one). Aviation is not the only sector of interest but because there is a barrier between the public side and air side it is easier to do the screening. Your suggestion to end screening is naive and dangerous. You can't give up one form of security to move on to another area.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by whirledtraveler
Yes, Israeli airport security could learn a lot from us. Perhaps someday they will be as good as the TSA.
First of all, everyone who boards an airplane in Israel gets screened. Some more than others, but each and every person who goes aboard an Israeli airplane is accounted for.

Second of all, comparing TSA screening with that of Israeli screening seems to suggest that TSA ought to adapt the Israeli style lock, stock and barrel. The weakness in that argument is that very few, if any, Americans really want to see TSA adapt the Israeli screening style. Look at the reaction to CAPPS II which is patterned after the Israeli model!

Third of all, are you suggesting that old people, children, people in wheelchairs, people with prosthetics, etc be exempt from screening purely out of sympathy for their circumstances? Do you truly believe that terrorists have the same respect towards people in these circumstances as you do?

Can't have it both ways. Convenience and security are designed (there goes that word again) to be at odds with each other.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 10:12 am
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Yes everyone gets "screened." But not ONCE, in my many travels to Israel, has my trip through the terminal been delayed due to a "secondary search," "wanding," or "random baggage check." The fact is, Israeli security profiles its passengers so well that it only spends extra time on those that require it and gives a cursory look to passengers who they consider to pose no threat.

Evidence? In a single trip from Israel to the United States, I passed through the TLV airport with a pocketknife on my keychain. Walking through the magnetometers, I kept my shoes on and belt on. I was not asked to take my laptop out of its case. (I was even offered the chance to buy a pocket knife during in-air duty-free.)

Back in the US, my shoes came off and I was wanded at the "checkpoint." My knife had to go back into a checked bag after INS/passport control so that I could continue to my final destination. Why the TSA thinks it's security measures are more effective than that of an Israeli airport is beyond me; it's totally absurd. Just this single day's experience is more than enough to convince me that the current protocol of screening passengers based "beeps" and an outdated computer profiling system is rediculous. It does more harm than good.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 10:58 am
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Well, well, well, I get accused of bordering on racist in another thread (TSA=ethnic group??? ...), yet here we have a TSA employee who drops some hints at the end of the paragraph that he is a bigot:

Originally Posted by Bart
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The answer is that we haven't lost common sense when it comes to screening. TSA bends over backwards to accomodate persons with disabilities, the elderly, children, people with working animals, people with religious sensitivities, and the many other sensitivities that characterize the politically-correct orientation of today's society.

The slashdot article is hyperbolic hogwash.
"TSA bends over backwards" -- give me a break. The TSA does the bare minimum required by law and public pressure.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 11:20 am
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Slashdot never did score very high on the journalism scale, but for them to misue their platform for BS like this just makes it worse.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 11:39 am
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Slashdot never did score very high on the journalism scale, but for them to misue their platform for BS like this just makes it worse.
Slashdot only promoted the article; it was published on the official news website of MSNBC. It is an opinion piece, so there's no need to call it BS; it's just an opinion article that you happen to disagree with.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 11:45 am
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Third of all, are you suggesting that old people, children, people in wheelchairs, people with prosthetics, etc be exempt from screening purely out of sympathy for their circumstances? Do you truly believe that terrorists have the same respect towards people in these circumstances as you do?

Can't have it both ways. Convenience and security are designed (there goes that word again) to be at odds with each other.
Wrong! Trading liberty (which Bart dishonestly trivializes by calling it convenience) for security is a false dichotomy. We need to be safe and free. If the best security measure we can come up with for fifty billion dollars is harassment of the elderly and the rest of the flying public, then the DHS is in the grips of a truly mind-boggling "failure of the imagination".

Real security measures start way, way before the boarding gate. Once a plot gets to that point, any terrorist coalition could have waged much more extensive destruction while avoiding checkpoints altogether.
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Old Aug 23, 2004 | 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by JS
"TSA bends over backwards" -- give me a break. The TSA does the bare minimum required by law and public pressure.
Absolutely not true. My screeners do go beyond what is required of them for persons who need assistance all the time.

Your statement is uncalled for and insulting. You come through a checkpoint and see a few minutes of what goes on at that checkpoint yet can make a generalization such as you did. Now thats ridiculous.
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