Legality of Reverse Screening
#31
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What's the legal basis for reverse screening on domestic flights?
I understand the argument that screening is voluntary and the TSA can deny you boarding if you refuse it, but what can they do if you refuse a reverse screen? You've already arrived and I don't think they have any legal ability to hold you without arresting you.
I understand the argument that screening is voluntary and the TSA can deny you boarding if you refuse it, but what can they do if you refuse a reverse screen? You've already arrived and I don't think they have any legal ability to hold you without arresting you.
#32
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Interesting question.
My guess is that TSA cannot detain you, but that the FBI or the local polcie can. I am not sure who conducts these reverse screenings, but I would guess that federal law enforcement is involved.
Refusing to submit to a search could be grounds for detention in that it arouses the suspicion of the officers doing the search. If that alone is enough grounds for an arrest, then the police can do a full search of your person and possesstions as a search incident to arrest.
My guess is that TSA cannot detain you, but that the FBI or the local polcie can. I am not sure who conducts these reverse screenings, but I would guess that federal law enforcement is involved.
Refusing to submit to a search could be grounds for detention in that it arouses the suspicion of the officers doing the search. If that alone is enough grounds for an arrest, then the police can do a full search of your person and possesstions as a search incident to arrest.
#33
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I have, twice, but only on international arrivals. One thing I must note is that I was not in a sterile area when I refused. I was, due to the unfortunate positioning of the checkpoint, stuck in an area where the only exit was through the checkpoint, which I declined to go through and requested to leave to the street. I'm not sure how different this would have been had I already been inside a sterile area.
#34
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In addition to Seattle previously noted, I believe this has been fixed in Atlanta with the opening of the new international wing of the terminal. For the list of airports where it is still an issue we should also include Charlotte, Memphis, and Pittsburgh, as far as I know. Please correct this list if you know of any additions/subtractions, as my information is somewhat dated.
#35
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If one were arrested pursuant to failure to waive his 4th amendment rights and consent to a search, what would be the charge? True, officers don't like it when people fail to waive their rights, they'd rather everyone consent to searches, everyone not call their lawyers, everyone voluntarily confess to crimes, et cetera. Asserting your rights might be "suspicious", but is it "reasonable suspicion"? How exactly can that legally be used against you?
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I was, due to the unfortunate positioning of the checkpoint, stuck in an area where the only exit was through the checkpoint, which I declined to go through and requested to leave to the street. I'm not sure how different this would have been had I already been inside a sterile area.
I'm not sure I understand what this thread is about. Can anyone explain this "reverse screening" concept? At first I thought it referred to certain international terminals where you have to go through security in order to exit the airport after arrival, but I'm not sure.
#38

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In addition to Seattle previously noted, I believe this has been fixed in Atlanta with the opening of the new international wing of the terminal. For the list of airports where it is still an issue we should also include Charlotte, Memphis, and Pittsburgh, as far as I know. Please correct this list if you know of any additions/subtractions, as my information is somewhat dated.
#39
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This leaves the list of "problem layouts" at: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Memphis and Pittsburgh. Please correct me if I am wrong, this may be out of date.
The reason that I'm posting again is I've noticed the recent renovations at Pittsburgh and the "Central Core" of the airside part of the terminal is currently gutted down to the concrete. Does anyone have any information about whether the security checkpoint would be moved there? This seems like the perfect time to do it, and doing so would solve the "re-screening departing international travelers" problem, since this would then allow the customs area to exit into a non-sterile area, as is the case in most airports.
Does anybody have any info if this is in the works at PIT?

