Well with the lady in the wheelchair who was in her underwear. They told her to go home and comeback and try again the next day when they couldn't clear her.

Now if they believed a passenger really did have a bomb. I think that would be a very bad experience for the passenger. Remember alot of what they can do to the passenger is hidden behind SSI.

And whom did you perform this on and under what circumstances? On a 14-year old flying to visit grandparents, not suspected of any crime?

You know the answer to that question and you know the strictly limited conditions leading up to this type of frisk. You couldn't do this to just anyone.

I�v been asking that question for a long time. I would also like to know how they look different, when viewed using imaging technology.

By now, the blue shirts in the booth probably know what those things look like, and let most of them go, unlike in the beginning. remember the flack that occasioned?

the issue is, what if you disguised bad things to look like those....

2, maybe 3, years ago, a colleague was working next to a construction site where explosives had been used in the demolition.

On leaving, the ETD alerted. The screener merely repeated the test three times until they got a negative result. The screener revealed this had been happening to a number of travellers and this was the best way to officially ignore it.

That is not quite correct. It is most often a law enforcement search. However, anyone crossing the border is subject to this type of search as well. The person doesn't have to be suspected of anything. Someone entering private property could also be subject to that kind of search if the property owner wanted to do that again not suspected of anything. However, I suspect that the business ( as this would most likely be the type of property owner) would have issues with patronage. You are correct in I do not the answer though.

FB

but as a matter of fact, this type of search is rarely done, is it not, and then only for some cause? So even if you *could* you folks don't. and why is that....

And there is no immunity from lawsuit (see the Santa Fe school district grope case of last month) in this, is there...

Maybe they were trying to enter the Konami Code?


Sorry I've got nothing but it makes me cringe thinking about possibly having to fly this fall.

Your boss, Nappy, has stated of the "pat downs" currently being conducted at airports:

For us it is a matter of time management, we would never have the time or staffing to support large scale searches of those types. We do however do random secondaries that can include that personal search without suspicion.

Anyone can file a lawsuit for anything. The question is would the lawsuit be successful. The fact is the 4th amendment only applies to government intrusion with several exceptions. It does not apply to private property owners. The Santa Fe school district case will be interesting as a school district is quasi government. However, schools have been given some distinct latitude concerning searches by courts in the past. Time will tell.

FB

Out of an abundance of caution, put them in one of those explosive boxes and blow them up.

Mike

While it is true that CBPOs are given absurdly wide latitude to violate the rights of the people who request entry, there is a limit I think. They cannot refuse entry for a US citizen with valid ID. Period. Even one who doesn't consent to any searches. And they cannot literally force you to have your genitals/crotch searched. As in physically. At least not without probably cause or at least reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or will be committed. Which means more than a vague hunch. IANAL though.

But if CBPOs are allowed to do whatever they please to your body as soon as you present yourself at the border even if you withdraw your request for entry then it is a gross constitutional and human rights violation and whatever federal law allows it should be annulled. I would physically resist such a rapesearch with whatever improvised weapons I had on hand. No government has the absolute right to engage in forced sexual contact with another human being.

If a CBPO wants to get his jollies by jerking off a dog or pig or something I wouldn't have a major problem with that. After all, we routinely kill them. But as human beings we should be treating each other with more respect than that. Any government that treats people like that is a pathetic, out of control, police state. Full stop. Luckily, AFAIK, the only government in the world currently that would even be tempted by the idea is the US. Probably the most fascist-leaning government on the planet.

Happened to me yesterday... absolutely refused to go to back room and wound up there anyway when LEO threatened to arrest me for public disturbance (wth?!). Exact same results... 2nd test was negative and on my way... boy, do I feel safer

They also wanted to photocopy my boarding pass and DL which I absolutely went off on them about. Finally conceded by just writing down the information for their "report". Also made several snide comments about "this type of alarm" like it was the ultra super bad one... whatever.

And when I asked for the FSD and LEO, a "manager" came over and barked about "what didn't I like about their security screening process"... guess my answer of "any of it" didn't sit too well with her. Time for a complaint.

So, now the question is what kind of hassles will I be getting now that I've "alarmed" for explosives?

Given the sheer numbers of "alarms" for hand lotion and golf course fertilizer, I'm pretty sure your "hassles" will result from questioning their authoritah...

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As I recall this story there was a past issue of agression between tsa and this lady which was why she dressed in that manner.
IF tsa wanted to mess with her this was a way to do it.
It is my belief that it would have been EASY to clear someone dressed like this. ANY issue tsa had could have been resolved by transferring her to another wheelchair and using new gloves and new swab.^
I'm not buying the tsa story!