Community
Wiki Posts
Search

AIT Conditioning

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 29, 2011 | 6:34 pm
  #31  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
30 Countries Visited
1M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Plat Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 22,650
More evidence of conditioning.. DEN is following their friends at ORD, and putting cones in front of the WTMD, making all pax go through the NoS. They seemed to realize that the long lines were due to the NoS, so a WTMD opened up to clear the backlog, but they have gone back to putting all pax through the NoS..
FriendlySkies is offline  
Old May 30, 2011 | 4:21 pm
  #32  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: QFF
Posts: 5,304
Just went through SJC Term A. Only one lane open, duel WTMD/NoS. They are also doing the go slow bag xray and directing people to the NoS.

I self selected the WTMD side when I noticed they were directing primarily towards the NoS. I timed sorting out the bins so that there would be at least 1 person waiting for the NoS when I got there. I pushed my bags into the xray and was about to step through the WTMD when the guard on the other side stopped me and questioned the person feeding the NoS. NoS was backing up so I got through the WTMD, then waited for my bags.
Bags got out when the person ahead of me was leaving the NoS.
Himeno is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 4:15 am
  #33  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA
Programs: AAdvantage, MileagePlus, SkyMiles
Posts: 4,338
Any reports for DCA (my primary airport)?

I find this hard to believe, though... I thought TSA was less smart than this?
MrAndy1369 is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 6:17 am
  #34  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,441
Originally Posted by Andy1369
Any reports for DCA (my primary airport)?

I find this hard to believe, though... I thought TSA was less smart than this?

TSA is passive-aggressive. They won't come right out and state "NOS is now the primary means of screening passengers" so they set up all sorts of obstacles to try to force people through.
red456 is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 11:57 am
  #35  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
1M
40 Nights
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marriott or Hilton hot tub with a big drink <glub> Beverage: To-Go Bag DYKWIA:SSSS /rolleyes ☈ Date Night:Costco
Programs: Sea Shell Lounge Platinum, TSA Pre✓ Refusnik Diamond, PWP Gold, FT subset of the subset
Posts: 12,523
Originally Posted by red456
TSA is passive-aggressive. They won't come right out and state "NOS is now the primary means of screening passengers" so they set up all sorts of obstacles to try to force people through.
Did you miss this:
Originally Posted by eyecue
NOS is primary now.
Oh, and a big ^ for acknowledging these things for what they are.
N965VJ is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 11:58 am
  #36  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
30 Countries Visited
1M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Plat Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 22,650
Originally Posted by red456
TSA is passive-aggressive. They won't come right out and state "NOS is now the primary means of screening passengers" so they set up all sorts of obstacles to try to force people through.
Exactly.. This was the scene from DEN. Notice the orange cone in front of the WTMD.

FriendlySkies is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 11:59 am
  #37  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,441
Originally Posted by N965VJ
Did you miss this:

Originally Posted by eyecue View Post
NOS is primary now.
No, I didn't miss it - but the TSA itself has not set forth that NOS is primary.
red456 is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 4:17 pm
  #38  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: DFW
Programs: AS, BA, AA
Posts: 3,670
If eyecue's assertion that "NoS is primary now" is true (and I have no reason to doubt him other than previous TSA spokespeople saying that would never happen), then...

Is it possible that a widespread observations of WTMD being slowed down so that more people more through NoS is simply so the TSOs can meet a new quota? i.e. they have to make NoS primary by admitting more people through NoS than WTMD, and the only way to do it is to slow down the WTMD?

I would appreciate any TSOs who can confirm or deny this chiming in!

ETA: I noticed some strange checkpoint statistics at DFW and SEA this weekend, where lines I would normally expect to move quickly were moving slowly, but I didn't connect the dots to a larger pattern.

Last edited by janetdoe; Jun 1, 2011 at 4:22 pm Reason: more details
janetdoe is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 5:47 pm
  #39  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited500k30 Nights20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: BWI
Programs: AA Gold, HH Diamond, National Emerald Executive, TSA Disparager Gold
Posts: 15,180
Originally Posted by N965VJ
Oh, and a big ^ for acknowledging these things for what they are.
Still a far cry from anyone with any power, like management, Pissy, or BB saying that though.
Superguy is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 5:47 pm
  #40  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited500k30 Nights20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: BWI
Programs: AA Gold, HH Diamond, National Emerald Executive, TSA Disparager Gold
Posts: 15,180
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
Exactly.. This was the scene from DEN. Notice the orange cone in front of the WTMD.

I noticed a lot of people standing around doing nothing.
Superguy is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 5:57 pm
  #41  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,441
Originally Posted by Superguy
I noticed a lot of people standing around doing nothing.
Looks like at least 7 out of the 12 screeners I can see aren't doing anything.
red456 is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 8:12 pm
  #42  
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Programs: WN A++, Marriott Plat, Avis 1
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by janetdoe
Is it possible that a widespread observations of WTMD being slowed down so that more people more through NoS is simply so the TSOs can meet a new quota? i.e. they have to make NoS primary by admitting more people through NoS than WTMD, and the only way to do it is to slow down the WTMD?
That seems entirely plausable. There's lies, damn lies, and statistics. If TSA needs to "prove" that NOS is effective and runs just as fast as a WTMD then they'll simply simply slow or close the WTMD until the figures catch up. This lets them justify the program to congress.

I noticed some strange checkpoint statistics at DFW and SEA this weekend, where lines I would normally expect to move quickly were moving slowly, but I didn't connect the dots to a larger pattern.
I use LAS C-Gates for WN. At the off-hours times I travel my typical "TDC to sitting-in-the-tram" times have usually been well under 2 minutes. Typically no queue at x-ray with 80% of my time spent unloading and repacking. However, my last couple of trips they've been running NOS only with a 6 minute or longer line. Add the opt-out and my security trips have started averaging about 12 minutes.
VegasCableGuy is offline  
Old Jun 1, 2011 | 11:11 pm
  #43  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 156
I was told last Thursday that NOS is now primary also at IND. I had to tell the Agent that it wasn't supposed to be when they were asking for money to buy the machines. He didn't have a response for that.
prushing is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.