Panel Urges TSA to Implement Trusted Travelers Program
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Panel Urges TSA to Implement Trusted Travelers Program
OK, team, what do you make of this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...txa_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...txa_story.html
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Doubleplusbad idea, comrade
From the Post article
You didn't pay a library fine or a parking ticket so you're a terrorist? Recall this is an agency that can't keep its data secure. And if you don't want to turn all this over to the agency, that will become an excuse to treat you even worse. Plus, all the fools in creation will say "she wouldn't have been groped if she had just given TSA her tax returns and credit reports."
TSA also has a habit of making a "voluntary" program into a mandatory one.
Oh, and guess how cheaply we are selling our freedom:
Even a voluntary trusted-traveler approach would require passengers to provide credit information, tax returns and other personal data to verify that members pose little or no risk.
TSA also has a habit of making a "voluntary" program into a mandatory one.
Oh, and guess how cheaply we are selling our freedom:
Members would enter a kiosk where either fingerprint or iris scanning technology would be used to confirm their identity. Both the passenger and carry-on bags would pass through an explosives-detection device, but there would be no requirement to remove shoes, coats or hats.
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Is living within one's means considered "suspicious"?
Even a voluntary trusted-traveler approach would require passengers to provide credit information, tax returns and other personal data to verify that members pose little or no risk.

and yeah... it's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around
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This will never fly in the US for two key reasons that rarely get mentioned:
1) Any personal-history-based or credit-based background check will disproportionately flag more racial minorities, ethnic minorities, (legal) immigrants, and poor people. Not because there is anything inherently racist or discriminatory in the reports (which do not include race/ethnic/economic information explicitly--it's completely possible for someone in extreme poverty to have a very high credit score if they have some credit and pay on time), but because of population demographics and socioeconomic status. Left-leaning politicians and lawyers would (rightly) make a strong effort to stomp this out as discriminatory.
2) For "trusted traveler" to be successful and embraced by business travelers, DHS/TSA would have to exempt trusted travelers from all but the most cursory screening (i.e., WTMD and carry-on x-ray but no shoes off, no jacket off, no strip search or grope, no war-on-water, and hopefully even no small-pointy-object ban). DHS/TSA is loathe to do that because their paradigm is strongly rooted in treating everyone like a potential terrorist, in part due to irrational paranoia and in part to avoid allegations of racism (see #1) and Norm Mineta's efforts to make the early TSA treat all passengers equally (poorly). All they have granted "trusted travelers" to date is access to the head of the line. That won't fly.
1) Any personal-history-based or credit-based background check will disproportionately flag more racial minorities, ethnic minorities, (legal) immigrants, and poor people. Not because there is anything inherently racist or discriminatory in the reports (which do not include race/ethnic/economic information explicitly--it's completely possible for someone in extreme poverty to have a very high credit score if they have some credit and pay on time), but because of population demographics and socioeconomic status. Left-leaning politicians and lawyers would (rightly) make a strong effort to stomp this out as discriminatory.
2) For "trusted traveler" to be successful and embraced by business travelers, DHS/TSA would have to exempt trusted travelers from all but the most cursory screening (i.e., WTMD and carry-on x-ray but no shoes off, no jacket off, no strip search or grope, no war-on-water, and hopefully even no small-pointy-object ban). DHS/TSA is loathe to do that because their paradigm is strongly rooted in treating everyone like a potential terrorist, in part due to irrational paranoia and in part to avoid allegations of racism (see #1) and Norm Mineta's efforts to make the early TSA treat all passengers equally (poorly). All they have granted "trusted travelers" to date is access to the head of the line. That won't fly.
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OK, team, what do you make of this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...txa_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...txa_story.html
There is absolutely NO WAY that I will provide one iota of information to the TSA nor will I EVER allow them to conduct a background investigation on me.
This reeks of the Soviet Union, where the party granted "privileges" for a price -- read: extortion. Only the wealthy upper class, who was most likely in a position to make or break government and party leaders, could afford such privileges.
But, you know the Sheeple will crawl over each other to be first in line with their credit cards in hand to sign up.
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OK, team, what do you make of this?
Treating every airport passenger as a potential terrorist slows the security system, is needlessly frustrating and deters some people from flying, according to a report that recommends ways to ease bottlenecks at security checkpoints.
“Pistole has outlined his vision for the future of airport security screening: one that is more risk-based and intelligence-driven, shifting away from a one-size-fits-all approach at checkpoints,”
“The key difference is that the program we’re recommending is totally voluntary,” said Geoff Freeman, executive vice president of the U.S. Travel Association, which commissioned the study a year ago. “Travelers, and especially frequent fliers, would give their right arm for a different experience.”
We want to focus our limited resources on higher-risk passengers while speeding and enhancing the passenger experience at the airport.”
Two lines:
Elite Line: White and token Muslims/Blacks
High Risk Passenger Line: Muslims, Blacks, Gypsies, etc
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I already am a "trusted traveler," I have both NEXUS and Global Entry which is a program under DHS. I have been approved in person by BOTH US AND Canadian immigration officials.
What do I get at TSA checkpoints when I show my NEXUS card? "This ID ain't acceptable, you got drivers license?"






What do I get at TSA checkpoints when I show my NEXUS card? "This ID ain't acceptable, you got drivers license?"






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Pistole said. My vision is to accelerate TSAs evolution into a truly risk-based, intelligence-driven organization in every way. . . . We want to focus our limited resources on higher-risk passengers while speeding and enhancing the passenger experience at the airport.
"Risk-based" = "Profiling"
Now regardless of your personal opinion of the niceties or legalities of profiling under the US Constitution, or what is left of it in the "Revised and Revoked Post Patriot Act Post 9/11 World Edition" DHS has substituted for the old version in the National Archives, perhaps Pistole should check with his boss before opening his mouth.
From the MIT paper rearding Nappys talk there on Monday: "During the question-and-answer period, Napolitano fielded a question about racial profiling, saying its use in security is illegal, unconstitutional, and ineffective."
Personal side note and free $0.02 worth of advice to Mr. Pistole: Using the fave old TSA buzz word "evolution" in front of the ruling party in this House is NOT a way to win friends and influence votes for bigger budgets.
Suggest next time try "We need more funding due to Global Warming."
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Its really a question of what "risks" they are trying to protect against.
Its commonly understood that It wouldn't be possible to hijack an aircraft like they did on Sept. 11 again due only to the increased cockpit security and the new "attitude" about hijackers (previously it was: comply with the demands and everything will be all right). The risk that commercial airliners will be used as weapons of mass destruction has been successfully mitigated.
What are we left with? The plane and the people on it. What are the major risks? Explosives and someone with a firearm. These risks are present everywhere there is a large group of people in a relatively small space.
Its commonly understood that It wouldn't be possible to hijack an aircraft like they did on Sept. 11 again due only to the increased cockpit security and the new "attitude" about hijackers (previously it was: comply with the demands and everything will be all right). The risk that commercial airliners will be used as weapons of mass destruction has been successfully mitigated.
What are we left with? The plane and the people on it. What are the major risks? Explosives and someone with a firearm. These risks are present everywhere there is a large group of people in a relatively small space.
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I'm not going to sign-up for any TSA wanted and approved extortion program that opens yet another revolving door for DHS management and its flunkies to make some more money at my expense during their post-DHS years.
This group has one item that doesn't seem to have gotten much focus: forcing airlines to grant all passengers at least one free checked bag so as to reduce the volume of items screened at the primary passenger screening checkpoints. The airlines are going to fight that tooth and nail.
This group has one item that doesn't seem to have gotten much focus: forcing airlines to grant all passengers at least one free checked bag so as to reduce the volume of items screened at the primary passenger screening checkpoints. The airlines are going to fight that tooth and nail.
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Its really a question of what "risks" they are trying to protect against.
Its commonly understood that It wouldn't be possible to hijack an aircraft like they did on Sept. 11 again due only to the increased cockpit security and the new "attitude" about hijackers (previously it was: comply with the demands and everything will be all right). The risk that commercial airliners will be used as weapons of mass destruction has been successfully mitigated.
What are we left with? The plane and the people on it. What are the major risks? Explosives and someone with a firearm. These risks are present everywhere there is a large group of people in a relatively small space.
Its commonly understood that It wouldn't be possible to hijack an aircraft like they did on Sept. 11 again due only to the increased cockpit security and the new "attitude" about hijackers (previously it was: comply with the demands and everything will be all right). The risk that commercial airliners will be used as weapons of mass destruction has been successfully mitigated.
What are we left with? The plane and the people on it. What are the major risks? Explosives and someone with a firearm. These risks are present everywhere there is a large group of people in a relatively small space.
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As I said yesterday in another thread somewhere: Yeah, nothing could possibly go wrong with this. Let's take a look, shall we?
Okay, one free checked bag sounds good. (Yeah, in the dim dark past - three years ago - we took that for granted, but..., yeah, okay.) And how bad could a "trusted travelers" program be, right?
Oh.
Tax returns? Really???
That sounds good, doesn't it? Zip! Wheeeee! Wait for it, waaaait for it...
"Bypass." Cool. Yeah, still with you (except for all that "personal information" stuff). But wait, what's this?
So, uhh, not having to take off my shoes (or coat, IF I had one, or hat (??)) is "bypassing the security line"? Really? What exactly is your magic "explosives-detection device"? Why aren't you using it now? Or, [*creepy organ music*] is it just a NoS by another name?
I'm sure he's happy to get as much personal data as he can. And look, now either the passenger volunteers it OR Congress simply authorizes TSA to, uh, "access it." Great. 
Since when is being able to wear shoes and a cardigan through the NoS considered "waltzing"??
Yeah, nothing to worry about here...
Originally Posted by WaPo
The report, commissioned by the U.S. Travel Association and set to be released Wednesday, calls on airlines to allow passengers to check one bag free of charge and urges the creation of a voluntary “trusted travelers” program ...
Originally Posted by WaPo
Even a voluntary trusted-traveler approach would require passengers to provide credit information, tax returns and other personal data to verify that members pose little or no risk.
Tax returns? Really???
Originally Posted by WaPo
In return, they would be allowed to zip through security.
Originally Posted by WaPo
The report recommends a voluntary trusted-traveler program in which passengers would supply fingerprints and other personal information in return for an identification card that would allow them to bypass security lines.
Originally Posted by WaPo
Members would enter a kiosk where either fingerprint or iris scanning technology would be used to confirm their identity. Both the passenger and carry-on bags would pass through an explosives-detection device, but there would be no requirement to remove shoes, coats or hats.
Originally Posted by WaPo
Although Pistole said he would support the use of personal data if Congress authorized his agency to access it or if passengers volunteered it, ...

Originally Posted by WaPo
... he’s cautious about creating a program that might give cardholders carte blanche to waltz through security.
Yeah, nothing to worry about here...

