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Originally Posted by sbrower
(Post 15995692)
I believe your post is a violation of the TOS, because you are discussing moderation in the forum. Now, I disagree with many portions of the TOS, including this one. But, to the extent you are attempting to imply that you feel the moderators have failed to take correct action, I believe the current TOS requires you to communicate with them directly.
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 15995684)
If I hand you a diamond you can observe the qualities of that item. They may be good or bad.
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 15995152)
I think the question is: what should have happened to the screeners that made the screening error? Just continue on or significant discipline?
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Originally Posted by ElizabethConley
(Post 15995521)
What caliber of person is the TSA attracting and retaining? How does employment with the TSA effect their employee's attitudes and values over time?
Do people become less honest and law-abiding under the influence of TSA employment? A Transportation Security Administration supervisor assigned to Newark Liberty International Airport was arrested last week on charges of impersonating a law enforcement officer,... |
Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 15998842)
I think in this case, at minimum the x-ray operator that missed it should not be allowed to run the x-ray without retraining and recertification. If the TSO happens to be still in the probationary period though, he/she could be let go.
Try being accountable for your actions or lack of actions. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 15999436)
They should be fired. They pucked up the core mission as badly as possible.
Try being accountable for your actions or lack of actions. And I'm all for accountability by the way. Especially when it comes to integrity issues, like the schmuck who decided to claim he was a customs officer. He deserves to be fired and whatever other punishment is coming down the pipe at him. |
Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 15993624)
I know of a TSO who got let go for taking 62 cents out of a bin that a passenger left behind. But theft is theft and he deserved to be shown the door for that.
Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 15998842)
I think in this case, at minimum the x-ray operator that missed it should not be allowed to run the x-ray without retraining and recertification. If the TSO happens to be still in the probationary period though, he/she could be let go.
Endangering the security of free America as we know it == Retraining Cognitive dissonance much? In the second scenario, why does it matter if the screener is still under probation or not.
Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 15999512)
Like I said, at minimum. If probationary, it's a good bet the paperwork is already flowing to say bye bye. Unfortunately with x-ray work, sometimes it's not as clear cut. Could the cutters have been obscured in a way so that they either could not be seen or very difficult to detect? Could the TSO really have seen the cutters and simply thought they were something else? Possibly. Some things look VERY different on x-ray than they do in real life. You are right though, the pooch got screwed on this bag.
And I'm all for accountability by the way. Especially when it comes to integrity issues, like the schmuck who decided to claim he was a customs officer. He deserves to be fired and whatever other punishment is coming down the pipe at him. Let me see if I have this straight. - bottle of water through security - bad... very very bad - box cutters must be banned from secure area because that was what the terrorists used on 9/11 to gain control of the plane - screener lets box cutters through the security checkpoint - retrain him - screener pockets 62 cents left behind in a plastic tray - terminate his employment Looking from outside the states, it just starts to look like one big comedy show (and makes one wonder why a large number of those in the US who face this day in and day out still put up with it).... and makes me thank heaves that this stupidity hasn't permeated to the US' allies out of some stupid adherence to "best security practices".... |
Originally Posted by SQ421
(Post 15999722)
So, "stealing" 62 cents == Termination
Endangering the security of free America as we know it == Retraining Cognitive dissonance much? In the second scenario, why does it matter if the screener is still under probation or not. So basically, you are saying that even the TSA can't always detect mundane "threats" such as box cutters and if someone really wanted to carry a prohibited item on board, they could. Then, pray tell me, why the need for the kabuki theatre that is played out in airports across the United States day in and day out. Let me see if I have this straight. - bottle of water through security - bad... very very bad - box cutters must be banned from secure area because that was what the terrorists used on 9/11 to gain control of the plane - screener lets box cutters through the security checkpoint - retrain him - screener pockets 62 cents left behind in a plastic tray - terminate his employment Looking from outside the states, it just starts to look like one big comedy show (and makes one wonder why a large number of those in the US who face this day in and day out still put up with it).... and makes me thank heaves that this stupidity hasn't permeated to the US' allies out of some stupid adherence to "best security practices".... As far as the probationary thing goes, that's how it works there. On probation, doesn't take much of a screw up to say adios. Our probationary time is ridiculously long but it is what it is, and anytime in that period, it's easy to kick someone to the curb. After that, it becomes more of a challenge. |
Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 15999933)
Simple. Theft is an integrity issue.
So, why isn't the TSO who allowed such a massive security breach to occur not bounced out? TSA would like to have the travelling public believe that box cutters, 110 ml bottles of water and scissors with blades longer than 4 inches are a threat to aviation security, yet TSA's attitude once such items make it past security make it abundantly clear that reinforced cockpit doors and policy of not co-operating with the hijackers as done more for aviation security than the TSA thinks it has. |
Originally Posted by TSO1973
(Post 15999512)
Like I said, at minimum. If probationary, it's a good bet the paperwork is already flowing to say bye bye. Unfortunately with x-ray work, sometimes it's not as clear cut. Could the cutters have been obscured in a way so that they either could not be seen or very difficult to detect? Could the TSO really have seen the cutters and simply thought they were something else? Possibly. Some things look VERY different on x-ray than they do in real life. You are right though, the pooch got screwed on this bag.
And I'm all for accountability by the way. Especially when it comes to integrity issues, like the schmuck who decided to claim he was a customs officer. He deserves to be fired and whatever other punishment is coming down the pipe at him. Step up and demand accountability! |
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 15997184)
So then every person that posts in CC, asking the mod to close their thread is violating the TOS?...
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Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 15997184)
So then every person that posts in CC, asking the mod to close their thread is violating the TOS?...
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Who else wants to send the cop a gift basket?
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Originally Posted by SQ421
(Post 15999722)
- screener pockets 62 cents left behind in a plastic tray - terminate his
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