Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Do self opt outs HELP the TSA?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 8:52 pm
  #16  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,034
Originally Posted by eyecue
We had 17 opt outs on my shift today and nearly the same yesterday.
out of 6k that is not a high rate.
6,000 during your shift, or the entire day?
LessO2 is offline  
Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:20 pm
  #17  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: RDU
Posts: 263
Originally Posted by eyecue
We had 17 opt outs on my shift today and nearly the same yesterday.
out of 6k that is not a high rate.
yummy. some real numbers.

You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.

6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.

If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.

But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.

SO we have two possibilities:

1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.

OR

2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.

Conclusion?

Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.

This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
oboshoe is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 2:44 am
  #18  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: An NPR mind living in a Fox News world
Posts: 14,343
Originally Posted by Munch
Are you claiming that you virtually strip-searched 6,000 people during one shift at your airport today, or that 6,000 people total were screened by either virtual strip-search or WTMD? Who keeps track of these numbers, your boss the former federal judge?
If they strip-searched 6000 people, the line would have stretched all the way to Boulder.

Originally Posted by oboshoe
yummy. some real numbers.

You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.

6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.

If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.

But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.

SO we have two possibilities:

1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.

OR

2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.

Conclusion?

Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.

This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.

And, assuming my "5 Layers of Opting Out" list, the 17 people who were frisked were in category #5 and don't count the countless others who were in layers 1-4 who never set foot on Pena Blvd that day.

Thanks for running the numbers!

Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Jan 15, 2011 at 6:34 pm Reason: merge consecutive posts
FliesWay2Much is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 3:10 am
  #19  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: OOL/DOH
Programs: QF LTS WP, Avis Pres Club, HH Diam.
Posts: 3,190
please remember, less than 1% of TSA clerks tell the truth.
VH-RMD is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 5:24 am
  #20  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 569
Originally Posted by oboshoe
yummy. some real numbers.

You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.

6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.

If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.

But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.

SO we have two possibilities:

1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.

OR

2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.

Conclusion?

Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.

This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
Gotta love numbers. In arithmatica veritas!
Darkumbra is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 5:42 am
  #21  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,728
Originally Posted by VH-RMD
please remember, less than 1% of TSA clerks tell the truth.
And that's probably only by accident.
Caradoc is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 5:43 am
  #22  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Nebulous
Programs: Delta, KLM, Luftansa
Posts: 125
Simply put, I must travel by air if I want to eat. I believe I was one of the first to have posted here about having been groped after opting out. I believed the grope to have been punitive.

In future, I'll allow the TSA to see my junk as opposed to the alternative. The grope experience was humiliating in the extreme.

We should make this abhorrent pervasion of basic civil rights to disappear. I now live in Europe. Americans are now the object of much derision here as we have allowed our rights to be destroyed. Can you imagine, Europeans enjoy more protections than Americans. Unthinkable in my mind.
Justruss is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 6:34 am
  #23  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,425
Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
And, assuming my "5 Layers of Opting Out" list, the 17 people who were frisked were in category #5 and don't count the countless others who were in layers 1-4 who never set foot on Pena Blvd that day.

Thanks for running the numbers!
thanks for the numbers oboshoe. now, would you be saying low eyecue is LYING. and if so, WHY would he feel compelled to do so?
nachtnebel is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 8:23 am
  #24  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 120
Originally Posted by eyecue
We had 17 opt outs on my shift today and nearly the same yesterday.
out of 6k that is not a high rate.
You are saying you put 6000 people through radiation today and only 17 opted out? Sounds like more propaganda to me.

Also... the 2.8% number is actually 3X higher than Napolitano's 1% number so we know her number was aggregate propaganda as well and not accurate.

What are the real numbers of how many people you irradiated that it was even possible for them to opt-out of anything? This is like Thanksgiving where they turned all the scanners off and then claimed "no one opted out". Opt-out counts only matter as a function of how many COULD have opted out. Additionally, the only way to get true opt-out numbers is to make sure people are AWARE of the choice. Claiming people are CHOOSING the scanners if they didn't know they had a choice means all you are doing by posting that statistic is pushing materially inaccurate propaganda.

Your statistics are MEANINGLESS until you tell everyone they have the option of opting out and you report how many did of the people you told that to.

And, Mr. TSA ... you should know that I will -always- be an opt-out. I will be an opt-out and make you dirty filthy people touch my penis until the day I die. And, because those machines will actually give people cancer, you will need to be able to make the legal defense when people get cancer ... you are always going to have to allow people to opt-out. That way, 20 years from now when people come back with cancer lawsuits you claim "you could've opted out". You will always need that excuse.

Do you know what that means Mr. TSA?

That means ...

You will be my bent over gay little do-boy massaging my dick for me, for $14/hour...

So, you guys coercively imposed your oppressive security theater and I've made my choice.
You get to be my little gay do-boy.

... forever.

I'm fine with that choice, looking down at you as you service me.

Last edited by Popperian; Jan 12, 2011 at 10:38 am
Popperian is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 8:31 am
  #25  
Suspended
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,953
Originally Posted by swag
And if it's not SSI, can you say if did any of the pat downs (voluntary, medically unable, or scanner alarms) found any concealed prohibited items?
In another thread yesterday, eyecue wrote:

Based on what WE found at DIA today in the AIT, I have no doubt it will see it when it happens.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ng-people.html
doober is offline  
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 11:56 am
  #26  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DEN
Programs: Frontier Summit, Marriott Gold, Hertz 5*
Posts: 171
Originally Posted by oboshoe
Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.
DEN has two main security checkpoints and one lower-volume access. If my memory is correct, the mains have about ten lanes and the secondary has six or eight. Last I noticed there are two AITs per checkpoint. Two lanes feed to each machine. That's six scanners that I have never seen fully staffed at one time.
JaggedMind is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.