Do self opt outs HELP the TSA?
#17
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: RDU
Posts: 263
You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.
6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.
If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.
But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.
SO we have two possibilities:
1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.
OR
2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.
Conclusion?
Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.
This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
#18
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yummy. some real numbers.
You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.
6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.
If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.
But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.
SO we have two possibilities:
1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.
OR
2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.
Conclusion?
Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.
This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.
6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.
If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.
But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.
SO we have two possibilities:
1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.
OR
2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.
Conclusion?
Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.
This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
And, assuming my "5 Layers of Opting Out" list, the 17 people who were frisked were in category #5 and don't count the countless others who were in layers 1-4 who never set foot on Pena Blvd that day.
Thanks for running the numbers!
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Jan 15, 2011 at 6:34 pm Reason: merge consecutive posts
#20
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 569
yummy. some real numbers.
You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.
6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.
If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.
But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.
SO we have two possibilities:
1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.
OR
2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.
Conclusion?
Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.
This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
You say it was a "shift". I'll assume 8 hours.
6,000. You don't indicate if that is total passengers or total naked scans. Lets go with your unstated intention that it is 6,000 naked scans.
If a naked scan take 45 seconds to complete. It would require 13,333 minutes to naked scan 6,000 people, or 222.222 hours.
But your shift is only 8 hours long. Therefore we need more machines so that we can fit 222.222 scan hours into 8 hours. To do so would require 27 Naked Scan machines.
SO we have two possibilities:
1) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using 27 machines. Only 17 opted out. That 2.8% opt out rate. That in line with government figures.
OR
2) Eyecue worked an 8 hour shift.
6,000 passengers were scanned using both the WTMD and naked scanner. Only 17 opted out. A 2.8% opt out rate was reported using COMBINED WTMD and naked scan counts. The ratio of naked scan to WTMD was conveniently left out of the story.
Conclusion?
Only #2 is remotely possible. What airport has 27 peepshow booths in operation for 8 hours? Answer NONE.
This also leads us to conclude that government figures of about a 2% opt out rate also includes figures for WTMD scanned passengers as well.
#22
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Simply put, I must travel by air if I want to eat. I believe I was one of the first to have posted here about having been groped after opting out. I believed the grope to have been punitive.
In future, I'll allow the TSA to see my junk as opposed to the alternative. The grope experience was humiliating in the extreme.
We should make this abhorrent pervasion of basic civil rights to disappear. I now live in Europe. Americans are now the object of much derision here as we have allowed our rights to be destroyed. Can you imagine, Europeans enjoy more protections than Americans. Unthinkable in my mind.
In future, I'll allow the TSA to see my junk as opposed to the alternative. The grope experience was humiliating in the extreme.
We should make this abhorrent pervasion of basic civil rights to disappear. I now live in Europe. Americans are now the object of much derision here as we have allowed our rights to be destroyed. Can you imagine, Europeans enjoy more protections than Americans. Unthinkable in my mind.
#23
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,425
thanks for the numbers oboshoe. now, would you be saying low eyecue is LYING. and if so, WHY would he feel compelled to do so?
#24
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 120
Also... the 2.8% number is actually 3X higher than Napolitano's 1% number so we know her number was aggregate propaganda as well and not accurate.
What are the real numbers of how many people you irradiated that it was even possible for them to opt-out of anything? This is like Thanksgiving where they turned all the scanners off and then claimed "no one opted out". Opt-out counts only matter as a function of how many COULD have opted out. Additionally, the only way to get true opt-out numbers is to make sure people are AWARE of the choice. Claiming people are CHOOSING the scanners if they didn't know they had a choice means all you are doing by posting that statistic is pushing materially inaccurate propaganda.
Your statistics are MEANINGLESS until you tell everyone they have the option of opting out and you report how many did of the people you told that to.
And, Mr. TSA ... you should know that I will -always- be an opt-out. I will be an opt-out and make you dirty filthy people touch my penis until the day I die. And, because those machines will actually give people cancer, you will need to be able to make the legal defense when people get cancer ... you are always going to have to allow people to opt-out. That way, 20 years from now when people come back with cancer lawsuits you claim "you could've opted out". You will always need that excuse.
Do you know what that means Mr. TSA?
That means ...
You will be my bent over gay little do-boy massaging my dick for me, for $14/hour...
So, you guys coercively imposed your oppressive security theater and I've made my choice.
You get to be my little gay do-boy.
... forever.
I'm fine with that choice, looking down at you as you service me.
Last edited by Popperian; Jan 12, 2011 at 10:38 am
#25
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,953
Based on what WE found at DIA today in the AIT, I have no doubt it will see it when it happens.
#26
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DEN
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DEN has two main security checkpoints and one lower-volume access. If my memory is correct, the mains have about ten lanes and the secondary has six or eight. Last I noticed there are two AITs per checkpoint. Two lanes feed to each machine. That's six scanners that I have never seen fully staffed at one time.

