TSA still refusing "alternate screening" for breastmilk
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TSA still refusing "alternate screening" for breastmilk
When I reached the checkpoint, I declared to the Transportation Security Officer (TSO) that I had breastmilk and I wanted it to be screened with the alternate screening process. I had already put my personal items (including my baby carrier), phone, and shoes, into bins, and I was carrying my 7-month-old son and the cooler bag containing the breastmilk.
The first TSO (a woman) told me that there is no alternate screening process for breastmilk. I told her that breastmilk is classified as a "medical liquid" according to TSA and is therefore allowed to be alternatively screened (not put through the x-ray machine) if I requested. She said that wasn't true, then called for her manager. I talked to him, repeating my request for the alternate screening, and he said that everything has to go through the x-ray machine. I told him that the TSA website says that breastmilk is in the same category as other medical liquids, and therefore does not have to be x-rayed. He said, "I'm sorry, but everything has to be x-rayed." I asked if there was anyone else I could speak to about it. This man (manager) told me that his manager would be a while because he was all the way over at the other end of the airport. He and the other TSOs directed me to wait in a chair in the middle of the security screening area. I could see my family waiting for me on the other side of the metal detector and full-body scanner. I sat down and held Daniel on my lap, without my shoes or other personal belongings, which had been placed on top of the x-ray machine at that point (as they had already gone through the screening process and were waiting for me to make it through).
While I was waiting, a male TSO asked me if I was waiting for someone, and I told him I was waiting to discuss my breastmilk with "a manager," and he walked away. I waited for approximately 20 minutes in the chair in the middle of security before the second manager, Randell C. Lundsgaard, showed up. Mr. Lundsgaard asked to see my milk. I opened my cooler bag, removed the ice pack, and showed him the three bags of frozen milk. Mr. Lundsgaard then reiterated that the breastmilk had to go through the x-ray machine. He told me that since it's frozen, it doesn't count as a medical liquid. I pointed out to him that breastmilk is perishable. If I didn't freeze it, it would spoil, and would be unusable. He said that he understood that, but that "bad people" could hide things in frozen liquids, and there's no way for him to verify that this is, in fact, breastmilk, without it going through the x-ray machine.
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After a while, Mr. Lundsgaard showed up for a second time with another man, Francis K. Ruholl [MSY Security Manager], to talk to me about the breastmilk. I showed them the websites that said breastmilk is a medical liquid and also that liquids that are frozen solid are allowed (and exempt from the 3-1-1 rule). They said that I was looking at two different rules that don't go together, and that since the milk is frozen, it no longer qualifies as a medical liquid because it's not a liquid anymore. I then asked, "What about frozen medications?" They said that if I had a note from my doctor that they would consider allowing the milk to not be put through the x-ray machine. I pointed out that I'm not in my home city, which is why I'm transporting frozen milk. How was I supposed to get a note from my doctor? They said if I had a note from my doctor that that "might help," but since I didn't have one, the breastmilk had to go through the x-ray machine. They said once again, that since it was frozen, they aren't able to do the alternate screening on it, because they can't just get a little bit of it out. I then offered to open one of the bags and break a piece off for them to thaw and test, and one of them asked, "But then how can we be sure that the rest of it is safe?"
The first TSO (a woman) told me that there is no alternate screening process for breastmilk. I told her that breastmilk is classified as a "medical liquid" according to TSA and is therefore allowed to be alternatively screened (not put through the x-ray machine) if I requested. She said that wasn't true, then called for her manager. I talked to him, repeating my request for the alternate screening, and he said that everything has to go through the x-ray machine. I told him that the TSA website says that breastmilk is in the same category as other medical liquids, and therefore does not have to be x-rayed. He said, "I'm sorry, but everything has to be x-rayed." I asked if there was anyone else I could speak to about it. This man (manager) told me that his manager would be a while because he was all the way over at the other end of the airport. He and the other TSOs directed me to wait in a chair in the middle of the security screening area. I could see my family waiting for me on the other side of the metal detector and full-body scanner. I sat down and held Daniel on my lap, without my shoes or other personal belongings, which had been placed on top of the x-ray machine at that point (as they had already gone through the screening process and were waiting for me to make it through).
While I was waiting, a male TSO asked me if I was waiting for someone, and I told him I was waiting to discuss my breastmilk with "a manager," and he walked away. I waited for approximately 20 minutes in the chair in the middle of security before the second manager, Randell C. Lundsgaard, showed up. Mr. Lundsgaard asked to see my milk. I opened my cooler bag, removed the ice pack, and showed him the three bags of frozen milk. Mr. Lundsgaard then reiterated that the breastmilk had to go through the x-ray machine. He told me that since it's frozen, it doesn't count as a medical liquid. I pointed out to him that breastmilk is perishable. If I didn't freeze it, it would spoil, and would be unusable. He said that he understood that, but that "bad people" could hide things in frozen liquids, and there's no way for him to verify that this is, in fact, breastmilk, without it going through the x-ray machine.
. . . .
After a while, Mr. Lundsgaard showed up for a second time with another man, Francis K. Ruholl [MSY Security Manager], to talk to me about the breastmilk. I showed them the websites that said breastmilk is a medical liquid and also that liquids that are frozen solid are allowed (and exempt from the 3-1-1 rule). They said that I was looking at two different rules that don't go together, and that since the milk is frozen, it no longer qualifies as a medical liquid because it's not a liquid anymore. I then asked, "What about frozen medications?" They said that if I had a note from my doctor that they would consider allowing the milk to not be put through the x-ray machine. I pointed out that I'm not in my home city, which is why I'm transporting frozen milk. How was I supposed to get a note from my doctor? They said if I had a note from my doctor that that "might help," but since I didn't have one, the breastmilk had to go through the x-ray machine. They said once again, that since it was frozen, they aren't able to do the alternate screening on it, because they can't just get a little bit of it out. I then offered to open one of the bags and break a piece off for them to thaw and test, and one of them asked, "But then how can we be sure that the rest of it is safe?"
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Seems to be standard (and imo reasonable) policy:
To prevent your medication, associated supplies or fragile medical materials for contamination or damage, we will ask you to display, handle, and repack your own medication and associated supplies during visual inspection. Any medication and/or associated supplies that we can't clear visually will be X-rayed. If you refuse, you will not be permitted to carry your medications and related supplies into the sterile area.
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The whole idea that TSA has unpublished rules that passengers are required to follow is very scary to me. I understand there may be things that need to be kept secret in the interest of national security. I also know that if a regulation isn't discoverable by a passenger, she shouldn't be required to follow it.
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I just read the entire account too at the woman's blog, and I too am seething with fury.
What a bunch of ill-informed, bullying idiots the TSA employs! As others have often stated, it is they, and other members of the Department of Homeland Security, who have become the real terrorists in this country.
What a bunch of ill-informed, bullying idiots the TSA employs! As others have often stated, it is they, and other members of the Department of Homeland Security, who have become the real terrorists in this country.
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Seems to be standard (and imo reasonable) policy:
To prevent your medication, associated supplies or fragile medical materials for contamination or damage, we will ask you to display, handle, and repack your own medication and associated supplies during visual inspection. Any medication and/or associated supplies that we can't clear visually will be X-rayed. If you refuse, you will not be permitted to carry your medications and related supplies into the sterile area.
Sadly, both TSOs and supervisors seem to lack both intelligence and courtesy.
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If there is, it would be SSI.
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Since I don't know all the rules (of course I don't. no one does except for the people who made them up and refuse to release them), can someone tell me if this woman was mistaken or was she correct in her belief that the milk did not need to be X-rayed?
Also, if she was correct, how can we get copies of her story sent to:
Rush Holt
Chip Pitts
Kate Hanni
Ginger McCall
David Greenfield
and
Jason Chaffetz
...as well as the news media?
Also, if she was correct, how can we get copies of her story sent to:
Rush Holt
Chip Pitts
Kate Hanni
Ginger McCall
David Greenfield
and
Jason Chaffetz
...as well as the news media?
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Since I don't know all the rules (of course I don't. no one does except for the people who made them up and refuse to release them), can someone tell me if this woman was mistaken or was she correct in her belief that the milk did not need to be X-rayed?
Also, if she was correct, how can we get copies of her story sent to:
Rush Holt
Chip Pitts
Kate Hanni
Ginger McCall
David Greenfield
and
Jason Chaffetz
...as well as the news media?
Also, if she was correct, how can we get copies of her story sent to:
Rush Holt
Chip Pitts
Kate Hanni
Ginger McCall
David Greenfield
and
Jason Chaffetz
...as well as the news media?
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Jan 12, 2011 at 2:12 am Reason: merge consecutive posts
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While I don't agree with TSA on how they handled this I suspect if the milk had been liquid it could have been screened by means other than xray.
Being frozen I think is the problem since something (remote possibility) could be hidden and concealed in the bag.
Just my 2 cents.
If people who have to endure TSA screenings had clear rules of what they must do to pass through a TSA Dragnet Checkpoint then these situations would not occur.
Being frozen I think is the problem since something (remote possibility) could be hidden and concealed in the bag.
Just my 2 cents.
If people who have to endure TSA screenings had clear rules of what they must do to pass through a TSA Dragnet Checkpoint then these situations would not occur.
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