TSA working with MTA?
Dec 15, 2010 | 10:03 pm
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TSA working with MTA?
On my way to Happy Hour (Brooklyn into Manhattan) upon entering the subway station I come upon 5 NYPD with 2 TSA agents. They were all in full correct uniform. Is the TSA teaching the NYPD to molest us? If it were just 1 TSA agent I would just think it's a guy on his way home but 2 all standing around talking seemed odd to me.
Dec 16, 2010 | 12:42 am
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I've been "randomly selected" by the NYPD for subway searches(bad/package only) a few times. All but once was it an easy and mostly professional situations. The once involved a cop who just felt it was my day to be messed with. checking me a 2nd time when i came to get back on the subway after dropping off sealed court documents that I wouldn't allow them to open. If I now have to let the NYPD pat me down without cause like the TSA I'm buying a car.
Dec 16, 2010 | 7:25 am
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Odd...? I see nothing odd at all about this - take a look at what most of them are doing at airport checkpoints...standing around and talking.
Dec 16, 2010 | 7:29 am
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Dec 16, 2010 | 8:17 am
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Back in April (or so) the papers were all abuzz with the news that the NYPD and the TSA were going to work together to protect the transportation system. They would take some number of screeners (think it was either 30 or 50) a day and have them work with the NYPD on the subways because there was a shortage of NYPD people to do it. The TSA people would get a three hour training.
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loca...way_Bag_Checks
TSA to Replace NYPD on Subway Bag Checks
Updated: Tuesday, 28 Apr 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 28 Apr 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
By LINDA SCHMIDT, Fox 5 News
MYFOXNY.COM - EXCLUSIVE: The New York Police Department is shrinking, and the department can't hire the number of cops it would like to. Fox 5 News has learned that help is coming from security screeners at the area airports. They'll be replacing some police officers in the subway who do bag searches. But some critics say this is just another clear example that the economy has affected security.
Within the next two months, Transportation Security Administration bag screeners from Kennedy, LaGuardia and Newark Liberty airports will be replacing most NYPD cops in the subway that screen bags for explosives.
Because of the police officer shortage, the NYPD needs to take these police officers and put them on the street to fight crime.
The rest of the story is at the link. I've never seen if any money was changing hands or not, if the NYPD was paying for the services or not.
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/loca...way_Bag_Checks
TSA to Replace NYPD on Subway Bag Checks
Updated: Tuesday, 28 Apr 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 28 Apr 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
By LINDA SCHMIDT, Fox 5 News
MYFOXNY.COM - EXCLUSIVE: The New York Police Department is shrinking, and the department can't hire the number of cops it would like to. Fox 5 News has learned that help is coming from security screeners at the area airports. They'll be replacing some police officers in the subway who do bag searches. But some critics say this is just another clear example that the economy has affected security.
Within the next two months, Transportation Security Administration bag screeners from Kennedy, LaGuardia and Newark Liberty airports will be replacing most NYPD cops in the subway that screen bags for explosives.
Because of the police officer shortage, the NYPD needs to take these police officers and put them on the street to fight crime.
The rest of the story is at the link. I've never seen if any money was changing hands or not, if the NYPD was paying for the services or not.
Dec 16, 2010 | 8:28 am
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Don't know all the acyonyms, but I was at Penn Station in NYC last week to take Amtrak back home (instead of flying).
They had an active TSA molestation squad there and were picking off people to go through the bags.
They also had two military guys there decked out in full armor with an M-16. I supposed they were there to make me feel safe, but frankly I found it far more scary both from a physical safety standpoint, and the fascist nature of it.
They had an active TSA molestation squad there and were picking off people to go through the bags.
They also had two military guys there decked out in full armor with an M-16. I supposed they were there to make me feel safe, but frankly I found it far more scary both from a physical safety standpoint, and the fascist nature of it.
Dec 16, 2010 | 9:13 am
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Don't know all the acyonyms, but I was at Penn Station in NYC last week to take Amtrak back home (instead of flying).
They had an active TSA molestation squad there and were picking off people to go through the bags.
They also had two military guys there decked out in full armor with an M-16. I supposed they were there to make me feel safe, but frankly I found it far more scary both from a physical safety standpoint, and the fascist nature of it.
They had an active TSA molestation squad there and were picking off people to go through the bags.
They also had two military guys there decked out in full armor with an M-16. I supposed they were there to make me feel safe, but frankly I found it far more scary both from a physical safety standpoint, and the fascist nature of it.
as far as interstate travel being required. I read a few papers on the TSA last night and it seems though they are a Federal Agency their powers are not limited to interstate travel.
Dec 16, 2010 | 9:18 am
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Seriously, though, it is my understanding that the TSA has no real authority outside an airport... right?
The TSA is going to continue a slow, intentional, systemic mission creep until any mode of transportation will be subject to random "papers check" or "administrative search" whether or not its legal.
One day, you'll have to receive a pat down to rent a bicycle in Central Park.
Dec 16, 2010 | 9:23 am
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You can refuse these searches - but I believe the MTA (and other transit agencies) have decided on their own that if you do, you should not admitted to their systems.
However - nothing stops you from walking away and using another entrance.
Which is, of course, what a real terrorist would do.
However - nothing stops you from walking away and using another entrance.
Which is, of course, what a real terrorist would do.
Dec 16, 2010 | 10:16 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Frankly though, if all they did was stand around, be scary, and only act when a true crime was being committed, I wouldn't mind fully-armored assault-rifle wielding officers roaming stations, airports, etc. I mean, who's going to pull anything unlawful with a big huge scary guy holding a big huge scary gun standing around?
Dec 16, 2010 | 10:29 am
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Don't know all the acyonyms, but I was at Penn Station in NYC last week to take Amtrak back home (instead of flying).
They had an active TSA molestation squad there and were picking off people to go through the bags.
They also had two military guys there decked out in full armor with an M-16. I supposed they were there to make me feel safe, but frankly I found it far more scary both from a physical safety standpoint, and the fascist nature of it.
They had an active TSA molestation squad there and were picking off people to go through the bags.
They also had two military guys there decked out in full armor with an M-16. I supposed they were there to make me feel safe, but frankly I found it far more scary both from a physical safety standpoint, and the fascist nature of it.