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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 1:57 pm
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Originally Posted by WindOfFreedom
"Why the TSOs aren't up in arms over this is a total mystery."

My modest proposal is an attempt to start them thinking and GET them up in arms.
Because Pissy and Nappy have told them that they are 100% safe...
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by eturowski
Interesting. Didn't realize they were this expensive (about $60-70 each).

http://www.stanforddosimetry.com/Bad...ce/prices.html
You also have to have them checked. I have one at work but I wouldn't wear it through the airport; the backscatter either wouldn't affect it, or else the reading would wind up so high I'd lose my license to work with isotopes!
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by eturowski
Interesting. Didn't realize they were this expensive (about $60-70 each).

http://www.stanforddosimetry.com/Bad...ce/prices.html
Not expensive enough for the government to buy and they have to be guaranteed to break down within 6 months of entering service before the gov't will even consider buying them
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 2:37 pm
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"If TSA doesn't care enough about its employees to allow the wearing of dosimeters and TSA employees don't have enough self respect to either demand to wear a dosimeter or walk off then just why do you care?"

Well, maybe because I'm a fellow human being caught up in the spirit of what Christmas stands for? Maybe because that's the one thing I can see that distinguishes us from jihadists and from abusive agencies/employees?

Maybe because it helps to have this discussion? Maybe because it will start some TSOs thinking? Maybe because that's the one shining piece of personal dignity I can salvage from this whole debacle?
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 2:46 pm
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"You might want to let your mom know that just choosing to go through the strip search scanner doesn't mean she won't also get an invasive pat-down afterward."

Thanks, Anubis, she has been alerted to this. And I've told her to scream bloody murder if it happens.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by TXagogo
I can see it someday in the hospital records:

Medical Impression: Mr. Jones is a 55yo male undergoing concurrent chemotherapy and radiation therapy for metatstatic adenocarcinoma of the lung.

Social History: Patient is now on disability after having worked as a TSA screener for approximately 20 years.

Nurse #1: "Hey Betty - did you see this? Mr. Jones used to work for the TSA. I wonder if those X-ray machines had anything to do with this? Oh by the way, can you give him his morphine?"

Nurse #2 - "TSA? Hmmm. Yeah sure Laura I'll give him his morphine when I get back from lunch. He can wait."

Horrible, but you never know what kind of payback people are capable of.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 3:02 pm
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Indeed. Primum non nocere.

(when the only way out is up...)
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 3:03 pm
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Hmm, maybe this idea has some possibilities. I'll bet buying a truckload of these dosimeters directly from a Chinese manufacturer (probably where most of the ones you get in the USA come from anyway) has a lot lower unit cost than $60-70. Maybe arrangements can even be made to preload a bit of a "starter dose" on each one before shipping. Hee-hee-hee.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by WindOfFreedom
"If TSA doesn't care enough about its employees to allow the wearing of dosimeters and TSA employees don't have enough self respect to either demand to wear a dosimeter or walk off then just why do you care?"

Well, maybe because I'm a fellow human being caught up in the spirit of what Christmas stands for? Maybe because that's the one thing I can see that distinguishes us from jihadists and from abusive agencies/employees?

Maybe because it helps to have this discussion? Maybe because it will start some TSOs thinking? Maybe because that's the one shining piece of personal dignity I can salvage from this whole debacle?

I think your use of "jihadist" is misguided in the context of Christmas.

You proposed a line of questioning and ask for thoughts. Just because my thoughts are polar to yours makes them no less valid.

I am all for personal responsibility. I would expect TSA employees as well as people in any line of work to be responsible for their own safety. That means looking out for oneself.

Providing dosimeters to TSA employees has nothing to do with the spirit of Christmas, at least in my opinion.

I will give a gift even greater than a gift of dosimeters to all TSA employees, free advice, quit while you still have some self respect left!
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 3:14 pm
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Just another thought, FT who still must fly for a living out of necessity and even those who don't fly that often might want to "invest" in a pocket-sized dosimeter badge as one approach the TSA checkpoints for one's own self protection & exposure monitoring. ^

If those equipment with biomed applications start to malfunction and nobody at TSA/OSHA is checking/monitoring/certifying/inspecting them on a schedule, regular basis - you could be subject to exposure at a greater distance and at a higher dosage than we've being told - it could leak or generate a substantially higher dose. At my workplace, all radiation equipments along with other medical equipments are tested, checked and calibrated on a regular basis, it's mandatory and some of them on a daily basis ....

There's no law against traveling with one, and if a growing body of FT starting wearing them & using them at the airports & other checkpoints where the machines are running, it will definitely raise the awareness level and be a talking point among other novice travelers and even among airline crews.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of them already brought one at their own personal expenses and start using/wearing them discretly under their blue uniform.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by WindOfFreedom
Ah, but what more powerful way of proclaiming that they are NOT safe than putting a little money into the proclamation? Such a gift would speak volumes and would certainly generate much pondering by the TSOs, who should be giving this some serious thought.

My mom will be flying over the Christmas holiday. With any luck she can get through ONT without a Full-Body X-Ray Machine experience, but returning from Dulles she is certainly going to encounter one. I'm going to buy a dosimeter for her to give the TSO she finds there.

Do you think the TSA will let the TSO keep it and wear it? Or will it be confiscated?
Fortunately, Dulles (my home airport) only has one Cancer Machine. It's in the basement black diamond lane in the baggage claim area. If she can get herself through the checkpoint without a wheel chair, she will be OK (on a relative scale). Make sure you don't go through Dulles from about 3-6 pm or in the morning before about 9 am. The airport is gridlock and the checkpoints are worse.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 3:55 pm
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FliesWay2Much, THANK YOU! Very valuable information for my wonderful mom. (taking notes)
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 4:51 pm
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 5:15 pm
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That's a brilliant idea. In bulk, they are reasonably affordable and would make an excellent item to give to TSOs as you clear security. They could stick it to the back of their badge or whatnot.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by WindOfFreedom
FliesWay2Much, THANK YOU! Very valuable information for my wonderful mom. (taking notes)
FYI, my mother-in-law is 96 going on 60 and I admire the daylights out of her. She will be 97 next May.
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