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While I do generally agree that it is better to be male passing through the security theatre there are some exceptions.
I could be wrong about this but I think males are more disgusted by same sex sexual contact than are women. Yes, this is is a generalization and not always true, but I think men are simply way more homophobic. There is a stronger stigma against same sex genital contact. I think the same sex aspect may be more traumatizing for us than for women. Hell, the TSA even seems to think women would actually prefer being touched by a same sex screener. I think the vast majority of men would prefer a woman to be handling our delicate packages. During the sexual patdowns men's junk is more "out there" and can be played with and abused more. Women don't have to worry about having their testicles squeezed for instance. And a karate chop sliding motion to the testicles while patting down the legs hurts a lot more than a karate chop to the vulva (or even to the breasts). Based on the limited x-ray images that have been released the images of the male seems to be more graphic, probably due to the genitals hanging out there more. In the images you can even see exactly which way it is hanging. Also men aren't used to having their dick size judged by strangers. Women are used to this with their breasts, but, unless we are wearing a speedo, we men are shielded from such judgments. With the NoS all of a sudden our equipment is out there to be judged by an expert team of panelists in the peep room. I think differences in women's labias are not quite so obvious in the images. And the differences are more subtle anyway. |
Andy: http://saizai.com/tsa_rights.pdf
Fully compiled and ready to distribute. Feel free to quote as much as you want so long as you cite it to that URL. Call me if you want an interview; number's on my website. |
What's the measurement of dignity, in the scope of this specific thread?
Once we know that, we can respond how, if possible, to keep it. The OP is coming to us with a word, without a measurement. The author, and every member on this forum, might have a different definition of dignity. |
Originally Posted by runarut
(Post 15396110)
My advice is to accept that there is no dignity going through security. Have very low expectations. Be flexible. Keep your eyes on your stuff. Don't let the man get you down. Understand that in security, the rules are there are no rules.
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OP, I suspect that your target audience is the male frequent flyer.
The voices which really are not being heard, and which are treated with even less dignity, are those with medical issues. While I applaud you for doing such a piece, may I encourage you and your colleagues look at how those with medical issues are being completely overlooked by the media and the general public in regards to this topic? |
As others have said, publications with the influence of Forbes should be protesting the inane and ineffective practices of the TSA monstrosity, not trying to figure out ways to deal with the monster. At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, this sort of behavior reminds me of the Jews during the 1930s trying to appease the Nazis -- but, of course, the only way for Jews to appease the Nazis was to die. I see no way any more to "work with" the TSA. They have crossed one line after another and now must be abolished. Simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Shorty
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Instead, as a technology and security reporter, why not follow the money trail of Rapiscan and see who stands to gain from having these scanners installed? Why not examine the technology behind the backscatter vs. MMW, and ask why the TSA would put in a machine with radiation when one without is available? Why not look at the way AMS does their security, and ask why the TSA chose what it chose, especially when other countries have already looked at and discarded the technology the TSA is so vocally embracing?
There's a journalism prize in there somewhere for you, Andy, if you ask the tough questions and bring this issue to national attention. But it's not in writing articles on how your basic American citizen can avoid being sexually harassed and assaulted by TSA regulations and the TSOs that carry them out at their own "discretion". And that's what it is, even if you prefer to call it "getting through with the least embarrassment and inconvenience." |
Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy
(Post 15394604)
Avoid body scanners. They can only process 1-2 people per minute at full speed, and many people that go through them still end up getting some type of rubdown afterward.
Kudos to Forbes magazine by the way! |
Although I do not personally read Forbes magazine, my assumption is that the average demographic is a well-heeled white male age 40+. I could be wrong but that is the impression I get.
This is the same demographic that is likely doing the majority of travel in the US (albeit a small percentage of that will be General Aviation). 2+2 = Forbes better be real careful how this article is worded. They may get away with dismissing the feeble and the disabled, but if they imply that the frequent-flyer businessman out there is OK with this they may be in for a world of hurt. |
FYI all, this is legit. Got a call from Andy earlier.
Also, this is his work: http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/ http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...l-not-so-fast/ http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...logs-comments/ Very positive stuff, worth supporting. |
The stuff is definitely worth supporting.
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Originally Posted by gojirasan
(Post 15397645)
While I do generally agree that it is better to be male passing through the security theatre there are some exceptions.
I could be wrong about this but I think males are more disgusted by same sex sexual contact than are women. Yes, this is is a generalization and not always true, but I think men are simply way more homophobic. There is a stronger stigma against same sex genital contact. I think the same sex aspect may be more traumatizing for us than for women. Hell, the TSA even seems to think women would actually prefer being touched by a same sex screener. I think the vast majority of men would prefer a woman to be handling our delicate packages. During the sexual patdowns men's junk is more "out there" and can be played with and abused more. Women don't have to worry about having their testicles squeezed for instance. And a karate chop sliding motion to the testicles while patting down the legs hurts a lot more than a karate chop to the vulva (or even to the breasts). Based on the limited x-ray images that have been released the images of the male seems to be more graphic, probably due to the genitals hanging out there more. In the images you can even see exactly which way it is hanging. Also men aren't used to having their dick size judged by strangers. Women are used to this with their breasts, but, unless we are wearing a speedo, we men are shielded from such judgments. With the NoS all of a sudden our equipment is out there to be judged by an expert team of panelists in the peep room. I think differences in women's labias are not quite so obvious in the images. And the differences are more subtle anyway. And I would actually prefer Mark Wahlberg to perform my assault, thank you very much. In case your not familiar with female anatomy, our "junk" is "out there" too. And some screeners see no problem with doing the slide right up our fronts. I think that's worse than cupping your balls. I would equate it with direct manipulative contact with the other portion of your "junk", which is something you guys are not getting, AFAIK. |
Originally Posted by sunnyjl
(Post 15452308)
Honestly, I think women have it far worse in this debacle. I see far, far more women getting groped than men, and the disparity is getting almost comical.
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FWIW: I wear a kilt.
I'll probably be wearing only bike shorts going through my next screening though. I'd like to see the security justification for touching my junk when it's quite obviously all I have on me. |
Welcome, Andy, and thank you for reaching out to someone other than the TSA for holiday tips for travelers. You might want to compare exactly what TSA states (and what they will probably tell you when you call them) versus the kinds of experiences people are reporting here.
TSA: How to Get Through the Line Faster http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...xperience.shtm For example, the video for the "female business traveler" only shows her walking up to a baggage x-ray machine and putting her stuff in a 1 quart bag. The video for the "male business traveler" shows him with the quart size bag, as well as removing his laptop and shoes. Why they don't show the female removing her shoes and laptop is beyond me. In any case, there are no videos of the new pat-down process and very little information that would actually be helpful for people who really want to get the process over with quickly. Note that the TSA site for travelers does not even mention the presence of "AIT" scanners in any way that is easy for passengers to locate: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/index.shtm In any case, you have a wider audience. I would emphasize that people have the right to opt out of any full body scans, and that they have the right to summon a witness for their pat-downs. They should plan ahead for how they will opt-out, respond to subsequent requests or statements to go through the machine anyway, keep their stuff in sight at all times, and request a witness if they do have a pat-down. TSA seems to capitalize on making everything happen so quickly that people don't have time to think about saying no, and in the rush of holiday travel it will probably be worse. |
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