Originally Posted by Saitek (Post 15326227)

Until you drive up upon a TSA Check point.

Originally Posted by svenskaflicka (Post 15329929)

I also will NOT fly until/unless this brutality stops.

I wonder just how much Obama is being told and what exactly he is being told. I think at this point with all he has on his plate that his trusted (haha) people could could tell him almost anything and he might just go along with them. Pistole must be spinning a huge yarn to Obama because he seems to have his head in the sand as far as all the uproar goes. Hello Mr. President, 2012 is an election year!!! While you are a it President Obama, your motto for your campaign was YES WE CAN (turn things around with change) My suggestion would be to change this TSA and their thugs around now before it's too late and they start running roughshod over even you.

What other organization could treat two million people a day so badly, have the execs insist that the people squawking the loudest are just a few bad apples and insist on the status quo?

Originally Posted by brendog (Post 15321956)

As someone who has been flying more or less weekly for the past decade, my only thought is what a bunch of whiners we have become. So we have to remove our shoes, dump our bottles of water, and endure the occasional nude-o-scope or rough pat down. This constitutes a Stasi-like security state??? I can't recall the last time the security experience took more than an hour and was anything but tedious at worst.

I seriously hope more whiners decide not to fly, as it means shorter security lines for me and a higher UG percentage. Sheesh... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by brendog (Post 15322359)

My point is that there are far too many whiny, melodramatic drama queens in this country. The TSA experience, as I previously stated, is tedious and moderately annoying, but nowhere near a violation of any civil rights.

As to those who are disabled, I have seen many, many folks in wheelchairs and/or otherwise encumbered, and all of them seemed to be treated with at least as much respect and dignity as the rest of the flying public.

Is a $12 per hour high school dropout TSA agent doing anything to stop "terrorism"? Likely not, but are they really violating anyone with their silly dog and pony show? Nope.

Either deal with it or travel by alternate, much less convenient means.

Originally Posted by brendog (Post 15324661)

100+ flights for several straight years, never a single issue with security, even though I hand-carry electronic equipment that could be construed as suspicious. I run into far more issues with CBP explaining my international destinations than I do with the TSA.

I've been through countless nude-o-scans and a handful of patdowns, but none of them were ever anything but routine and professional, actually, cursory would be more apt.

Considering the hundreds of millions of passengers passing through US airports on an annual basis, if there really were an issue with the TSA, there would be far more more than a random handful of egregious violations. Again, I think the current security scheme is a woefully inadequate, steaming POS, but I still see no major issues with clearing it on a weekly basis. In a perfect world, the US would adopt a scaled down version of the Israeli security regime, but that would likely fall victim to criticisms of profiling and the like.

Originally Posted by Jeano222 (Post 15332444)

My not flying anymore does not affect anyone except myself, but to think people are not upset about this being an assault on our freedom really concerns me. This is how Big Brother scenario begins.

Originally Posted by Jeano222 (Post 15334422)

Right after 9/11 I thought for sure that public traveling would require a passport. I think every single man, woman and child should have a passport if they are going to take a plane, train or ship. Why isn't the government insisting on that? Makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by Jeano222 (Post 15334422)

Right after 9/11 I thought for sure that public traveling would require a passport. I think every single man, woman and child should have a passport if they are going to take a plane, train or ship. Why isn't the government insisting on that? Makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by LeeAnne (Post 15332581)

I'm a whiner? Yeah okay, clearly you haven't been following any of the stories on this topic. Here's mine: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...nly-ought.html

I'd like to hear you say to my mother's face that she's a whiner. In fact, let's hear you say that to MY face. Go ahead, tell me I'm a whiner, you sick f***. Tell me I'm a whiner for objecting to having my elderly disabled mother treated like a criminal for the offense of having a metal hip, and wanting to visit her grandchildren. Tell my mother she's a whiner for being made to hold her bladder for almost two hours, then sexually groped, then YELLED AT when her trousers were slightly damp after having been forced to hold her bladder beyond the breaking point then having her crotch squeezed. Go ahead, say it.




Ah, okay, just because you personally haven't seen these abuses, I guess that means they aren't happening.

Yeah, come on over here and tell me that to my face.




Again with the "I haven't seen it, so it's not happening". Open your eyes and try looking outside your perfect little bubble. Oh, but you won't...because then you'd have to admit that you are WRONG. Flat-out, unequivocally, undeniably WRONG. Not to mention selfish, uncaring, self-absorbed.