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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:34 am
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TSA can make all the wild claims/threats it wants but they can't usurp the first amendment that protects photographers/journalists, etc. Making up rules because there under the spotlight won't stand up in court.

I have been a working photographer long enough to know how the game is played and what my rights are(and the limits), it's also why I carry multiple copies of a document called "the photographers rights" that's was written by a lawyer ( I posted it within the past week, but don't have it off hand) I have never been a papperazzi or shot adult content as I have standards. In my time working assignments I have done a wide variety type of photography but now I mainly do speciality assignments. I pride myself on not only the quality of my photography work as I have been published internationally and have images a few galleries in the US but also in the caribean) but also my interaction with the public/clients while shooting.

I have had your average Joe, rent a cops, wanna be lawyers get in my face and tell me either what they think of me or I can't do xyz or threatened legal action. They thought they could intimidate me because I look in assuming. I have even been assaulted( weapons brandished) more then a few times. In each case I defended myself including taking a knives and a loaded gun away from one idiot that stuck it in my face to intimidate and proceeded to disassemble it and scatter the parts. The aggrssor has ended up in custody of the law each time and had criminal charges filed. I did file a civil case against a private security company for the replacement of a camera that I sacrificed when I used it to break free from a choke a bouncer attempted at a event I was hired by the facility and event coordinator to cover. I professional camera body does make a good club if need be.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by polonius
Once again, there are "meet-ups" being organised at various airports for NOOD. [...] there should be many non-flyers handing our leaflets, there should be people filming at all checkpoints, and there should be volunteer lawyers on hand if the TSA gets LEOs involved at any point.
Where is this organizing happening? I'd like to go hand out leaflets at SEA on the 24th. I won't be flying.

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There are a number of threads addressing photography at airports and specifically of the checkpoint
Here's the one in which I documented responses to requests for information about photography policies at 50 U.S. airports: PV Alert: Can I Take Photos at the Checkpoint and Airport?
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:36 am
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I found it here is the link to the photographers rights PDF file.

www.krages.com/phoright.htm
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 12:37 am
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Originally Posted by Scubatooth
I carry multiple copies of a document called "the photographers rights" that's was written by a lawyer ( I posted it within the past week, but don't have it off hand)
It's here: http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 1:02 am
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This would be very interesting. I wonder if a court would allow the recording as evidence, even if you did not tell the person you were recording..
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 1:23 am
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This would be very interesting. I wonder if a court would allow the recording as evidence, even if you did not tell the person you were recording..
In public there is no expectation of privacy so no permission needed in any state. There have been a few questions like this in various threads in the past including one where a screener claimed it was illegal to photograph/video them at work and were informed they were wrong they had no expectation of privacy and could quit if the didn't like it, but it was not illegal.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 4:01 am
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Already doing it. As soon as I clear security, I take my digital camera that looks like a still camera rather than a video and set it to video mode. It takes really good good low res video with sound. I "take pictures" out the windows and of the ugly airport art. Only I am not. I let the video free run and a hold the camera in the general direction of the screening process as if I am looking for something else to photograph. I can get several minutes this way. When I get to the gate I review it for interesting stuff. Nothing yet. But I am patient.

At my home airport you have to be in security to see security. So the outside-in will not work everywhere.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 4:07 am
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Brilliant idea!!! What about lapel cameras or in your eyeglasses....?

Sorry I won't be in the states to participate....it's going to be absofrikindickily great!
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 4:21 am
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Until it died, I had a Palm with a still & video camera. The lens was on the back side up top. It was very easy to record while appearing to read email. Something like that would work nicely at close range. You could even place it in a bin face down (lens up) and leave it on all the way through the checkpoint.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
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Until it died, I had a Palm with a still & video camera. The lens was on the back side up top. It was very easy to record while appearing to read email. Something like that would work nicely at close range. You could even place it in a bin face down (lens up) and leave it on all the way through the checkpoint.
Do that too. Set my phone to record continuous audio and off it goes through the system, recording away. It is in an outside pocket of my backpack but it works pretty good. This spy stuff is fun.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 5:29 am
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Exclamation A nice additional tool...

...in case they want to bully you into deleting your images/video.


http://qik.com/

From the website:

"Instant
Video Sharing

Share videos privately with family and friends, automatically post to social networks, or broadcast to blogs and video sites.

Videos can be viewed live (right as they are being recorded) or anytime later."
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 5:30 am
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A couple of websites on recording. Your mileage may vary, and this is not legal advice.

Court Says It's Okay To Secretly Record Conversation If Done For Legitimate Reasons
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...41010676.shtml
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...%20Level%29%29

Can we tape?
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/

Once you've recorded, can they get at your photographs?

http://ezinearticles.com/?Does-the-F...rd?&id=4469539
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10140373-38.html
http://news.cnet.com/Police-Blotter-...3-6187389.html
http://schlissellaw.wordpress.com/20...out-a-warrant/

Photography Hassles & Rights:
Photography Is Not A Crime
http://www.pixiq.com/contributors/248 (Site original at http://carlosmiller.com/ and may return there in the future)

A final note: If you are required ("requested" in TSA Speak) to remove all your personal effects to put through the carry-on baggage X-Ray, it's going to be harder to retain a electronic device for purposes of recording. Perhaps the reason for TSA having passengers remove all items except for clothing and underwear is to eliminate the possibility of having the encounter recorded.

If you have traveling with a partner, assuming they do not require both members of your party go through sequentially, you have the option of trading the recording position.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 5:55 am
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Exclamation Gadgets

All the personal belongings going thru x-ray can also be modded to record pretty good quality video/audio.

Ask a gadget geek about "Surveillance Camera, High Resolution DVR, Photo, Video and Voice recording, 4gb Memory and Webcam Function Watches!"

Hammacher Schlemmer used to sell (still do?) cool video recording sunglasses. With some minor mods, they can be turned into regular glasses.

A dedicated outdoors person I know, has these: "Mossy Oak Break Up Camo Video Recording Glasses"--he has shown me stunningly clear video of the "great" outdoors.


Originally Posted by reft
A couple of websites on recording. Your mileage may vary, and this is not legal advice.


A final note: If you are required ("requested" in TSA Speak) to remove all your personal effects to put through the carry-on baggage X-Ray, it's going to be harder to retain a electronic device for purposes of recording. Perhaps the reason for TSA having passengers remove all items except for clothing and underwear is to eliminate the possibility of having the encounter recorded.

If you have traveling with a partner, assuming they do not require both members of your party go through sequentially, you have the option of trading the recording position.
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by TXagogo
anybody who opts out of the xray won't get on their plane.

Well... if they decide do have you go through the xray, I would hope you bring it to their attention!

If you opt out of the metal detector or NOS, you can still fly as these are NOT xray machines...
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Old Nov 18, 2010 | 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by TXagogo
I just read a post in the opt-out day thread that has me enraged and which I will quote here:

"Flew out of BOS today. At the security checkpoint there was a young lady, a TSA employee, yapping very loudly how anybody who opts out of the xray won't get on their plane. She was sitting checking ID's and tickets and complaining how she wasn't able to go anywhere over Thanksgiving so anybody who opts out won't get on their plane either."

This got me to thinking about an idea that would not involve flying (thus we can continue to boycott the airlines so their bottom line gets hurt and they start to pressure the TSA and lawmakers) and would not cost people much money:

Would it be possible to get a few people in different cities to bring a videocamera or other video recording device (iphones, whatever) to document these checkpoints? I am thinking about a situation where three people show up together and each takes a recording shift. Then we might get some of these outrageous comments and intimidations/punishments on video. Maybe it could start in BOS - seems like they have been particularly bad based on some of the posts I have read on here.

Whatta yall think???
Bolding mine: It's nimrod-ettes like this one that give good TSO's a bad name but it is also a good idea to video this yutz with your cellphone or at least turn on the voice recording feature of one's cell phone if you hear threats like this (yes, what the TSO said is a threat) as it should be able to pick the voice as one's cellphone can still be on your person at the i/d checker and then turn the clip over to the media. Let's see the TSA try and spin that.
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