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secretsea18 Nov 15, 2010 10:18 am


Originally Posted by NNX12 (Post 15143992)
Went through ORD yesterday, got the pat-down, asked for a name. STSO gave me his name, nice enough fellow. Asked why I wanted it, I explained that in case there was ever a civil liberties lawsuit I wanted to know who had touched me. This prompted a TSM and "Do you want to fly today" implied threat.

They took my name/BP details, made a cell call and sent me on my way. Anyone know what they do with the info they collect, this is the second time in as many days I have had my name and info taken down by the TSA for asking for a name.

Next time say, "Just keeping your name, date & time, which checkpoint for MY records."

MTGriz Nov 15, 2010 10:38 am

noticed the same
 
Since you can observe the checkpoints (2 out of 3) at DEN from above, I spent about ten minutes on Saturday looking at the screenings when the lines were very short. There were absolutely more women than men sent through the scanners (70% sounds about right). Also observed a full patdown - the lady had to lift up her shirt - bare skin underneath. The clerk going into the lady's pants was about the worst moment, the genitalia touching was very brief (but I am sure no less invasive). All other patdowns that I happened to notice were local patdowns. Also saw a clerk going through someone's wallet pulling out some receipts and such. Unbelievable!

I am going to need lots of booze next time I have to fly.

FriendlySkies Nov 15, 2010 10:40 am


Originally Posted by MTGriz (Post 15144777)
Since you can observe the checkpoints (2 out of 3) at DEN from above, I spent about ten minutes on Saturday looking at the screenings when the lines were very short. There were absolutely more women than men sent through the scanners (70% sounds about right). Also observed a full patdown - the lady had to lift up her shirt - bare skin underneath. The clerk going into the lady's pants was about the worst moment, the genitalia touching was very brief (but I am sure no less invasive). All other patdowns that I happened to notice were local patdowns. Also saw a clerk going through someone's wallet pulling out some receipts and such. Unbelievable!

I am going to need lots of booze next time I have to fly.

Don't forget to pop a viagra for your pat-down...:eek:

zpaul Nov 15, 2010 10:49 am


Originally Posted by MTGriz (Post 15144777)
The clerk going into the lady's pants was about the worst moment,

OK, I've been out of the USA for about two years and this is ALL new to me. They actually go INTO your clothes? I was imagining that all the touching was done from the outside, with at least your clothes as a barrier.

This is just sick.

JennyElf Nov 15, 2010 10:57 am


Originally Posted by zpaul (Post 15144865)
OK, I've been out of the USA for about two years and this is ALL new to me. They actually go INTO your clothes? I was imagining that all the touching was done from the outside, with at least your clothes as a barrier.

This is just sick.

I have observed that they can and do put their hands inside the waist band of your pants. They only reach down a few inches (about as far as their fingers reach), but if your shirt is untucked and you aren't wearing a camisole or undershirt, your bare stomach and lower back will be touched.

aBroadAbroad Nov 15, 2010 11:01 am


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15144799)
Don't forget to pop a viagra for your pat-down...:eek:

+10

It's times like this that Mrs sometimes wishes she were a man... :D

MTGriz Nov 15, 2010 11:07 am


Originally Posted by zpaul (Post 15144865)
OK, I've been out of the USA for about two years and this is ALL new to me. They actually go INTO your clothes? I was imagining that all the touching was done from the outside, with at least your clothes as a barrier.

This is just sick.

Excerpt from first post in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...e-patdown.html

"The 2nd agent had me lift my sweater up and she felt down into the waistband of my slacks about two inches."

Not an isolated experience. Enhanced patdown SOP.

zpaul Nov 15, 2010 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by MTGriz (Post 15145027)
Excerpt from first post in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...e-patdown.html

"The 2nd agent had me lift my sweater up and she felt down into the waistband of my slacks about two inches."

Not an isolated experience. Enhanced patdown SOP.

I read the post I replied to originally as saying that they went far enough into the pants to reach the pax's genitalia. I knew about the waistband bit but I had a vision of a TSApe down someone's pants to the elbow...maybe my imagination is getting a bit overactive now that my first trip back to the USA since the introduction of the enhanced pat-downs is coming up on Friday...

TamCaP Nov 15, 2010 12:41 pm

Don't worry. Our forum TSOs posting here have said it never happens, so all those reports are OBVIOUSLY false...

:rolleyes:;)

BearX220 Nov 15, 2010 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by doober
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn at some time that male clerk-voyeurs are making agreements with the clerks outside the scanners to send good looking women their way.

It's grossly obvious from the reports that TSOs are procuring women for one another's enjoyment. This has nothing to do with "keeping us safe" and everything to do with horniness.

This "security system" cannot be fixed. It should be dynamited.

oldjonesy Nov 15, 2010 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by TamCaP (Post 15145846)
Don't worry. Our forum TSOs posting here have said it never happens, so all those reports are OBVIOUSLY false...

:rolleyes:;)

Although they have been noticeably absent for a while now ^

FetePerfection Nov 15, 2010 5:01 pm


Originally Posted by sbagdon (Post 15143155)
I'll go with the perception that some would have that the females would be less likely to resist authority (even if perceived to be most likely to be offended).

Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner - this very fact was reported just today that most women are compliant to NoS and as soon as I can find the stat I'll edit my post to include.

linsj Nov 23, 2010 6:37 am

Wednesday, 11/23
 
I allowed extra time for long lines and opting out this morning, but I could have slept another hour. Only two people were ahead of me in the T1 elite security line at 6:30, and only the metal detector was open. As I walked the length of the security area, I saw only two nude-o-scopes in use; the rest were roped off. I wonder if this will be SOP tomorrow.

I admit I was thankful I didn't have to face an opt-out and spent the time in the lounge instead.

Cat1099 Nov 23, 2010 8:21 am

I agree that the disproportionate funneling of women through the whole-body scanner likely happens for multiple reasons, including the "hottie" effect and the assumption that we're compliant. I also wonder if there's a buddy system involved in which male TSOs are helping other male TSOs avoid having to do pat-downs on men.

It would be interesting to see if men are more likely to funnel women to the scanner. If you're a man and you send a woman to the scanner and there's a problem or she opts out, your female colleague will have to deal with it, not you or any of your male buddies.

I (no longer a hottie) was pulled from the WTMD to the NOS line by a man, and when I opted out all he had to do was call for a female TSO. Not his problem.

stdatwmu Nov 23, 2010 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by zpaul (Post 15144032)
It makes me think of a short story I read in elementary/middle school about a society in which children are tested at a certain age, and if they're too smart they're never heard from again. Smart people ask questions.

Was it The Giver by any chance?

http://www.amazon.com/Giver-Lois-Lowry/dp/0440237688

I read that around that age and it's what popped into my mind when I read your comment.


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