BOS - "Mandatory body scanner" with SSSS BP?
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BOS - "Mandatory body scanner" with SSSS BP?
While I've managed to avoid the body scanners so far, my luck ran out this morning at BOS, when I got an "SSSS" BP, apparently for buying a one-way ticket.
When I reached the machine, I politely told the TSO I would opt for the pat-down instead. He yelled over to another TSO and they concluded that there is no "opt-out" allowed with an "SSSS" BP. (Perhaps I should have argued further, but I went through the scanner.) Along with the scanner came the full "enhanced" pat-down, complete with crotch check:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/08/enhanced-pat-downs.html
Then off to have all of my possessions checked for bomb residue. The TSOs were reasonably polite throughout the process.
I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
When I reached the machine, I politely told the TSO I would opt for the pat-down instead. He yelled over to another TSO and they concluded that there is no "opt-out" allowed with an "SSSS" BP. (Perhaps I should have argued further, but I went through the scanner.) Along with the scanner came the full "enhanced" pat-down, complete with crotch check:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/08/enhanced-pat-downs.html
Then off to have all of my possessions checked for bomb residue. The TSOs were reasonably polite throughout the process.
I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
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They were wrong, simply wrong. You do not have to submit to being irradiated or microwaved.
You definitely should file complaints, not only with TSA but (see links in my signature) with the ACLU & EPIC.
You definitely should file complaints, not only with TSA but (see links in my signature) with the ACLU & EPIC.
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While I've managed to avoid the body scanners so far, my luck ran out this morning at BOS, when I got an "SSSS" BP, apparently for buying a one-way ticket.
When I reached the machine, I politely told the TSO I would opt for the pat-down instead. He yelled over to another TSO and they concluded that there is no "opt-out" allowed with an "SSSS" BP. (Perhaps I should have argued further, but I went through the scanner.) Along with the scanner came the full "enhanced" pat-down, complete with crotch check:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/08/enhanced-pat-downs.html
Then off to have all of my possessions checked for bomb residue. The TSOs were reasonably polite throughout the process.
I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
When I reached the machine, I politely told the TSO I would opt for the pat-down instead. He yelled over to another TSO and they concluded that there is no "opt-out" allowed with an "SSSS" BP. (Perhaps I should have argued further, but I went through the scanner.) Along with the scanner came the full "enhanced" pat-down, complete with crotch check:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/08/enhanced-pat-downs.html
Then off to have all of my possessions checked for bomb residue. The TSOs were reasonably polite throughout the process.
I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
You should file a complaint regardless since TSA has clearly stated that anyone can Opt Out of NOS E-Strip scanning. And why not Opt Out if your going to be sexually assaulted anyhow?
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OP, please make sure to file a complaint. I'd like to see TSA give their side of the story They were totally wrong. If that happens again, ask for the FSD, your airlines Ground Security Coordinator, and a LEO.
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While I've managed to avoid the body scanners so far, my luck ran out this morning at BOS, when I got an "SSSS" BP, apparently for buying a one-way ticket.
When I reached the machine, I politely told the TSO I would opt for the pat-down instead. He yelled over to another TSO and they concluded that there is no "opt-out" allowed with an "SSSS" BP. (Perhaps I should have argued further, but I went through the scanner.) Along with the scanner came the full "enhanced" pat-down, complete with crotch check:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/08/enhanced-pat-downs.html
Then off to have all of my possessions checked for bomb residue. The TSOs were reasonably polite throughout the process.
I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
When I reached the machine, I politely told the TSO I would opt for the pat-down instead. He yelled over to another TSO and they concluded that there is no "opt-out" allowed with an "SSSS" BP. (Perhaps I should have argued further, but I went through the scanner.) Along with the scanner came the full "enhanced" pat-down, complete with crotch check:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/08/enhanced-pat-downs.html
Then off to have all of my possessions checked for bomb residue. The TSOs were reasonably polite throughout the process.
I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
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I have searched this forum and couldn't find any reference to the SSSS/body scanner combination (sorry if I missed the thread). In addition, I've searched the TSA site and elsewhere and have found no evidence that the body scanner is mandatory with an "SSSS" boarding pass. Do others have experience with this, or relevant information? I'd like to be better informed in case this happens again, and if the TSOs were incorrect, I intend to file a complaint with the TSA.
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Thanks all for your input; I'll file the appropriate complaints.
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Seem to be seeing an uptick in SSSS checks lately. Is it turning out that the elimination of SSSS was another TSA fabrication?
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As MikeMpls suggested, I've filed a complaint with the TSA and provided copies to EPIC and the ACLU.
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Aren't the "nude scans" supposed to detect "bad" things you may be concealing on your body--so what do the pat downs accomplish--except to annoy the traveling public?
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Probably not, if you define it correctly. You see, if everyone gets the full treatment, then there is no need to flag anyone with SSSS anymore.
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It may be that there are too many ordinary things on a person's body (underwear, sanitary items, things left in pockets, underwire bras,??) that show up on the NOS and "need" a patdown to resolve. Or it may be that the screeners at the checkpoint don't trust the NOS and do the patdown "to be sure" that it didn't miss something. Who knows?
In any case, someone from TSA will be along shortly to tell us that the OP's story was fabricated, or that it's not supposed to happen that way, or that BOS is trialling a new procedure, or some other excuse.
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Boy, these new devices sure are effective. Not.
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How far in advance was it purchased?
I have heard SSSS is still being used, but is not used as frequently these days. Once upon a time a simple re-route / FIM onto another carrier would generate an SSSS or a ticket with codeshares over multiple carriers.
Please do file a complaint and make the complaint via several channels to ensure it is recognized and acted upon.
It was wrong you were not given the chance to opt out, no if and/or/but(s). It goes against everything the TSA spokeholes have told us, and have even gone as far as making statements to reflect the fact this "policy" will not change.
Disgusting -- but then, this is an agency that can't even keep track of a simple list of acceptable federal ID's.