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exbayern Oct 11, 2010 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
....and what is the fear anyway...that theres a fat sloppy TSA agent behind the screen laughing at you? ....you are really wasting your energy

Fear over been seen naked? No.
Fear over a 'fat sloppy TSA agent' laughing at me? No.

Fear that my rights are being violated? Yes.
Fear that there is an alarming lack of resistance amongst the public to prevent those rights from being violated? Yes.
Fear that your opinion is in the majority in the US? Yes.
Fear that this violation of rights will continue to spread around the world? Yes.

Vecturist14 Oct 11, 2010 9:00 pm

Female, mid 30s, scientist, I'll opt-out if I encounter a NoS. I know how easy systems are to hack and I know how to properly work with radioactive sources, which are two compelling reasons I'll fight the NoS.

My parents, who are both fairly right-wing oppose the NoS - mainly because they don't buy the TSA partyline and because they've traveled outside the US and seen how every civilized nation handle security better than us.

IrishDoesntFlyNow Oct 11, 2010 9:07 pm

60 . . . grandmother . . . public health official . . . cancer survivor, left with a permanently compromised immune system

I opt out every time I'm forced to fly (not often any more; I drive whenever I can).
I do not accept unnecessary exposure to ionizing radiation for my personal safely.
I do not accept unnecessary exposure to ionizing radiation for the safety of my young grandchildren.
I do not accept the gradual erosion of my own rights.
I do not accept the gradual erosion of my grandchildren's rights.

I choose principle over expedience.

~~ Irish

FriendlySkies Oct 11, 2010 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by IrishDoesntFlyNow (Post 14928359)
60 . . . grandmother . . . public health official . . . cancer survivor, left with a permanently compromised immune system

I opt out every time I'm forced to fly (not often any more; I drive whenever I can).
I do not accept unnecessary exposure to ionizing radiation for my personal safely.
I do not accept unnecessary exposure to ionizing radiation for the safety of my young grandchildren.
I do not accept the gradual erosion of my own rights.
I do not accept the gradual erosion of my grandchildren's rights.

I choose principle over expedience.

~~ Irish

^^

Male, early 20s

After I discovered FlyerTalk, I quickly went from a 5-7K mile per year flier, to a 1K with UA, and you can imagine how I feel about TSA. On average, I interact with them twice a week, sometimes more. I have not been selected for a nude-o-scope, mostly due to the fact that I can avoid airports that have them installed. In the case of my home airport, DEN, I know which lanes contain the devices, and know how to opt-out if necessary. I will opt-out if ever selected, and don't have a problem with other pax staring at me.

I've convinced FriendlySkies-Mom & Dad, both frequent fliers 2P & 1P, that TSA is a disgusting waste of their tax dollars, and the NoS is to be avoided at all costs. I've also created the www.nudeoscope.com site, and have been educating friends about the effects of the devices.

If chosen, I will always remember these simple words: I opt out.

the_happiness_store Oct 11, 2010 9:28 pm

All of you give hope for America.

RadioGirl Oct 11, 2010 9:44 pm

Female. (Yeah, really. :)) Age, well... old enough to remember a different America. :(

At work, with friends and while traveling, I've recently been raising the question of the nude-o-scopes without giving my opinion first, to try to get an honest reading of the other person's view. I haven't noticed a difference between the genders, but my observations are limited to non-US-based people for whom this is either a hypothetical or fairly rare experience. Most of my work colleagues are male. Some don't care if they're scanned, but they don't think it makes much difference to security. Others agree that it's too invasive, and the one who approves my travel :) supports my refusal to, for example, transit through LHR.

Mostly I encounter people - men and women alike - who just refuse to go to the US because of the whole TSA circus, not just the WBI alone, or indeed because of the larger hysteria of which DHS/TSA is only the most visible symptom. There's the woman whose wheelchair-bound father was forced to stagger and fall through the WTMD at LAX while his wife was restrained from helping him. And my seatmate MEL-SYD who asked me "what the heck is wrong with America?" and said that although he had been educated there and had friends, he would never go back; he explicitly mentioned being treated like a criminal at airport checkpoints. There are my four friends in the English-speaking expat community in Geneva who, one at a time, said to me "I'm never going back to the States because of the way people are treated."

If there is a difference in opinion over the nude-o-scope between men and women, it may be that too many women remember the Great TSA Breast Exam Experiment™ of a few years back, and the scanner may seem less invasive than returning to those days. :(


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 14928268)
Mrs Halls120 used to give me a hard time for being so critical of TSA. After the past year where she has flown with me more often than normal, she now dislikes TSA with the same passion that I do.

RadioBloke has listened politely for years while I summarized FT TS&S and the TSA's numerous offenses. But when I showed him the nude-o-scope brochure, @:-) he said, "WOW! They're allowed to do THAT?!" Now he's passing out brochures too.

essxjay Oct 11, 2010 9:49 pm

The polls are now open. :-:

ETA: This poll is public, meaning that anyone logged in to FT can see who voted and how (click on any number in the votes column to reveal the list). @:-)

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essxjay
TS/S moderator

coachrowsey Oct 11, 2010 9:56 pm


Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
get over yourselves...who cares about these scans.
all i care about is getting through the TSA charades as fast as possible
if you are so ashamed of you bodies that you cant walk through the scan, maybe you should consider that you are doing something wrong taking care of yourself.
....and what is the fear anyway...that theres a fat sloppy TSA agent behind the screen laughing at you? ....you are really wasting your energy

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

the_happiness_store Oct 11, 2010 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
get over yourselves...who cares about these scans.
all i care about is getting through the TSA charades as fast as possible
if you are so ashamed of you bodies that you cant walk through the scan, maybe you should consider that you are doing something wrong taking care of yourself.
....and what is the fear anyway...that theres a fat sloppy TSA agent behind the screen laughing at you? ....you are really wasting your energy

You clearly have no idea what the issue is. If you are American, it is not stated on your profile but I'm guessing that your are by your post, I suggest that you bone up on your history - don't miss any year from 1776 until 2010. You may finally realize what America is supposed to mean. If you are not American, I welcome you to visit.

IrishDoesntFlyNow Oct 11, 2010 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
get over yourselves...who cares about these scans.

Get over yourself. I care about them.



Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
all i care about is getting through the TSA charades as fast as possible

Go ahead -- feel free -- choose expedience over principle. It's a free country (more or less).



Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
if you are so ashamed of you bodies that you cant walk through the scan, maybe you should consider that you are doing something wrong taking care of yourself.

My body's just fine, thanks; it has nothing whatever to do with that.



Originally Posted by cotter77 (Post 14927995)
....and what is the fear anyway...that theres a fat sloppy TSA agent behind the screen laughing at you? ....you are really wasting your energy

I'd suggest you begin your study of American history with one Thomas Jefferson. Then move to Joseph McCarthy. Dip your toes into a little Edward R. Morrow. Look up a little-known (lately) helicopter pilot named Hugh C. Thompson. Take a lesson about standing up for yourself.

~~ Irish

essxjay Oct 11, 2010 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 14928312)
Fear that my rights are being violated? Yes.
Fear that there is an alarming lack of resistance amongst the public to prevent those rights from being violated? Yes.
Fear that your opinion is in the majority in the US? Yes.
Fear that this violation of rights will continue to spread around the world? Yes.

Replace the emphasized terms with 'Outrage', 'Disgust', 'Saddened' and 'Alarmed' (in that order) and you've about summed it up for me. :(

wutdhec Oct 11, 2010 10:52 pm

Female, opt out every time, and avoid countries where nude-o-scopes are mandatory.

Seeing me or anyone else naked w/o a cavity search (don't get me started there), does nothing for security. Especially the slightly trained monkeys who masquerade as the TSA. I cringe to think they are the front lines of anything other than maybe an expendable human shield. There is nothing added from a true security standpoint. Have seen plenty of idiocy that could be easily circumvented by someone with a few brain cells.

VonS Oct 11, 2010 10:56 pm

I'm female and I OPT OUT. Flying STL-DFW-FLL-DFW-STL Oct. 12-13. Hope I am chosen for NOS so I can loudly OPT OUT.

UALpremier Oct 11, 2010 11:39 pm

I'm male and I'll opt out every time!

jiejie Oct 12, 2010 12:49 am


Originally Posted by pbjag (Post 14927971)
^^^+1000

Or being frisked without probable cause...

Longtime female road warrioress here and I find the entire notion of being required to submit to a strip search or allowing a government employee to run their hands over my body simply to get on an airplane to be bizarre. Cannot fathom how anyone can find this remotely acceptable.

I'm with you, Sister. Female, USA, age 50. 100% opt out though living outside the US and infrequently visiting only because of elderly parents, so I don't have to deal with the NoS often. So far. What a world we live in where I have less hassles and more freedom from this sort of crap in... Communist China than I do my own Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.


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