22" Rollerboard carry-ons & TSA agents
Sep 15, 2010, 2:47 pm
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if 22"x14"x9" is the "approved size", how about a tape measure or ruler to measure the dimensions of the sizer? 5 hockey pucks says the inside* dimensions are smaller than 22"x14"x9".
*if you have the dimensions correctly measured, the opening would be 14x9 but "something" is telling me that 14x9 is the outside measurement of the sizer
*if you have the dimensions correctly measured, the opening would be 14x9 but "something" is telling me that 14x9 is the outside measurement of the sizer
Sep 15, 2010, 3:06 pm
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Sep 15, 2010, 3:36 pm
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If it was a TSO, this is wrong on many counts.
- Screening process does not begin until the TDC, per posters on here, the TSA blog and multiple media articles; and, even at this point it is only screening of identification documents
- Screening of the actual person does not begin until walking through the WTMD
- Screening of property does not begin until personal articles are placed on the X-ray in-feed and have passed through the first set of lead curtains, so the drink should not need to be "voluntarily surrendered" until this point in the process
- If a TSA grabbed anything out of my hands, I would defend myself accordingly and call for a LEO for theft charges
A person also submits for screening when walking through the WBI or requesting a patdown and passing through the WTMD/WBI/ADA gate.
As far as defending "yourself", defense of your drink or anything else grabbed out of your hands, (rightful repossession) is much more limited than defense of person-- pretty much limited to grabbing it back in most cases without the use of too much physical force against the other person. I suppose you could chase someone and catch them, but if you were to tackle them, it might cross the line in some jurisdictions depending on the item and how it was taken in the first place.
As far as calling the cops, they will laugh at you and call it a 'civil' issue unless you fail the attitude test in which case all bets are off . . . I wouldn't try this in PHL for example.
Sep 15, 2010, 7:15 pm
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What terminal was this? I've never seen a bag sizer at or anywhere near the ID checking station or WTMD/Xray at FLL - or anywhere else for that matter.
Are you sure it was the TSA? The Delta terminal has some pretty dimwitted line matrons and this sounds like it could be their work.
Are you sure it was the TSA? The Delta terminal has some pretty dimwitted line matrons and this sounds like it could be their work.
Sep 15, 2010, 8:45 pm
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Sep 16, 2010, 1:04 pm
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if 22"x14"x9" is the "approved size", how about a tape measure or ruler to measure the dimensions of the sizer? 5 hockey pucks says the inside* dimensions are smaller than 22"x14"x9".
*if you have the dimensions correctly measured, the opening would be 14x9 but "something" is telling me that 14x9 is the outside measurement of the sizer
*if you have the dimensions correctly measured, the opening would be 14x9 but "something" is telling me that 14x9 is the outside measurement of the sizer
Sep 16, 2010, 1:10 pm
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Sep 16, 2010, 1:30 pm
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Sep 16, 2010, 2:17 pm
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Although current policy is that TSA does not enforce baggage size limits, there is a planned changed to allow this to be FSD discretion.
The flexibility is necessary to accomodate the needs of different airports. In some airports, the TSA will not enforce the policy. But some airlines have requested TSA assistance, and the change will allow TSA to assist. In some cases the FSD will enforce size and quantity limits of carry-on as a way of decreasing wait times at checkpoints.
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The flexibility is necessary to accomodate the needs of different airports. In some airports, the TSA will not enforce the policy. But some airlines have requested TSA assistance, and the change will allow TSA to assist. In some cases the FSD will enforce size and quantity limits of carry-on as a way of decreasing wait times at checkpoints.
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Sep 16, 2010, 2:18 pm
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Sep 16, 2010, 2:33 pm
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Although current policy is that TSA does not enforce baggage size limits, there is a planned changed to allow this to be FSD discretion.
The flexibility is necessary to accomodate the needs of different airports. In some airports, the TSA will not enforce the policy. But some airlines have requested TSA assistance, and the change will allow TSA to assist. In some cases the FSD will enforce size and quantity limits of carry-on as a way of decreasing wait times at checkpoints.
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The flexibility is necessary to accomodate the needs of different airports. In some airports, the TSA will not enforce the policy. But some airlines have requested TSA assistance, and the change will allow TSA to assist. In some cases the FSD will enforce size and quantity limits of carry-on as a way of decreasing wait times at checkpoints.
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Sep 16, 2010, 2:39 pm
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Sep 16, 2010, 2:50 pm
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It is an excercise not expansion of authority. Current law gives TSA control of the screening process. Up until now TSA senior management has chosen not to enforce these limits, but that does not mean that the federal government does not have the authority to act to enforce if they want.
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TSA should stay the frack out of revenue management and focus EXCLUSIVELY on WEI. Anything else is BS.
Sep 16, 2010, 3:12 pm
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It is a BS action of the federal government sticking its nose into revenue protection. Given that different carriers have different size limits and quantities, which airline policy is going to win when the damn TSA has a multi-airline C/P?
TSA should stay the frack out of revenue management and focus EXCLUSIVELY on WEI. Anything else is BS.
TSA should stay the frack out of revenue management and focus EXCLUSIVELY on WEI. Anything else is BS.
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If asked if I would pay more taxes to build prisons to incarcerate TSA employees I would say yes.
Sep 16, 2010, 11:50 pm
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The only time I have really seen this enforced is when the bag us clearly meant for checked-in luggage, or if the person has far too many bags.