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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 5:16 pm
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Test run for terrorism?

Test run?

Heard this on CBS Evening News.

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 5:41 pm
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"In addition, officials said, al Soofi was found to be carrying $7,000 in cash"

Oh no, another ebil person carrying an amount of cash that is totally legal in the US for both domestic and international travel undeclared. TSOs just cannot stand seeing persons who have more money than then.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 5:48 pm
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The website is hilarious. Creeping Sharia --- is it serious, or is it a comedy website? If it's serious, then the unintentional comedy factor makes it even funnier.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 5:57 pm
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ABC News:

ABC News Exclusive: Two Men on United Flight from Chicago Arrested on 'Preparation of a Terrorist Attack' in Amsterdam

Suspects Had Been Cleared Sunday by TSA in Chicago, Birmingham Despite Security Concerns
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 5:57 pm
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thank heavens they were stopped. i heard they had plans to construct some kinda building, or gathering place, or somethin or other down by ground zero...
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 6:35 pm
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Yeah, this is not good timings at all. TSA didn't put the bags into the CTX-9000 inline baggage screening system and I believing TSA does not pay attentions to looks inside the suspicious bags and they didn't find any fake explosives. TSA must to take own responsible to being searchable the bags and after the bags is clearance to goes on the transports into the aircraft. That's why it was failed to attempted to retrieve bags off the aircraft.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 6:40 pm
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I think the vast majority of what the TSA does is stupid and unnecessary, but giving a closer look to anyone with bulky clothing deserves a ^
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 6:53 pm
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With all the opposition to the strip-search machines and sexual groping at the checkpoints, the TSA has to gin-up some fear to justify their continued assault on the rights of travelers.

As predictable as pie.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
Oh no, another ebil person carrying an amount of cash that is totally legal in the US for both domestic and international travel undeclared. TSOs just cannot stand seeing persons who have more money than then.
It has nothing to do with how much money they were carrying. That is just another piece of information that, when taken together with the other evidence, looks suspicious. They weren't arrested because of the money itself.

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I think the vast majority of what the TSA does is stupid and unnecessary, but giving a closer look to anyone with bulky clothing deserves a ^
Bulky clothing???? Yeah, he was given a pat down, and let through security because the suspicious items were in the checked luggage.....

To all of the above...and I mean this in the nicest way possible ... Do you even read the news before you comment on it???

This is a big big reason why we can't get anywhere with the security debate.

Two Men on a United Airlines flight from Chicago were detained today when the plane arrived in the Netherlands.

U.S. officials say luggage belonging to one of the men contained what appeared to be mock bombs - and they may have been testing the security system.

CBS News Justice correspondent Bob Orr reports U.S. officials are still trying to figure out whether or not this is a real threat. But, it is suspicious. Two men who flew from Chicago to Amsterdam have now been arrested in the Netherlands.

Sources say one of the men, Ahmed Mohammed Nasser al-Soofi, a 48-year-old Yemnini who has permanent resident status in the United States, had $7,000 in cash and what looked like mock explosive devices in two checked bags, seven cell phones - some of them we're told were taped to empty bottles - and watches taped to shampoo bottles. Al-Soofi, who resides in Detroit, was singled out for a pat down at Birmingham International Airport in Ala. on Sun. His checked baggage had set off an alarm as it was screened. He was allowed to continue on a flight to Chicago O'Hare.

Officials say al-Soofi, who originally was heading through Dulles to Yemen had changed his itinerary to the Amsterdam flight. The two bags carrying those suspicious items did not go with the man on the flight to Amsterdam. Instead, the two bags continued on al-Soofi's original path to Dulles Airport near Washington - where they were confiscated by U.S. authorities.

The other man arrested, Hazem Abdullah Thabi al-Murisi, is a 37-year-old Yemini who traveled to the United States on a vistor's visa.

While two men have been arrested, authorities now say they are not linked to one another. The investigation is focused solely on al-Soofi. Al-Murisi was also supposed to land in Dulles, but changed his flight in Chicago to Amsterdam.

Investigators say this does not appear to be connected to any terror threat -but authorities do want to know if al-Soofi was testing security.

These were amateurish-like mock devices - the very kind of thing that security is designed to find. And in fact, TSA did find them on the flight from Birmingham to Chicago and deemed them benign. That's why they were allowed to go to Chicago and then on.

Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said once officials found suspicious items in luggage associated with two passengers on Sunday night's flight, they notified the Dutch authorities.

Kudwa said none of the items found were considered dangerous "in and of themselves."
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  1. The part that I bolded is what concerns me first. If this is true, and the TSA in fact did find the devices, why were they allowed to continue on from Chicago to Dulles, and then taken off the plane in DC?
  2. If the article is correct and the TSA determined the devices were not dangerous, wouldn't you think they might say "Hey, this looks suspicious though. Maybe we should arrest them before they leave the US?" Evidently, that thought never occurred to them?

The actions of the TSA certainly deserve to be questioned here, unless there is more information out there that I didn't see. However, when we ask the questions, let's try to ask relevant ones....ok?

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:06 pm
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Originally Posted by amlothi
If the article is correct and the TSA determined the devices were not dangerous, wouldn't you think they might say "Hey, this looks suspicious though. Maybe we should arrest them before they leave the US?"
Since when is "suspicious" = arrestable offense?

No due process anymore?
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:14 pm
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why is someone's religion now mentioned before their name or gender? not just any religion though. funny i never hear two "catholic" men being arrested. never hear two "jews" were arrested. but man watch out for those "muslims".

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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by cparekh
The website is hilarious. Creeping Sharia --- is it serious, or is it a comedy website? If it's serious, then the unintentional comedy factor makes it even funnier.
Applies more to Europe than the USA at the moment . . .

As far as I'm concerned, this is one of the first times I can give the US anti-terror authorities a ^ for doing their job. The $7,000 made it into the article but I doubt that was considered by the US authorities.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:20 pm
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Originally Posted by amlothi
This is a big big reason why we can't get anywhere with the security debate. There are too many idiots spouting irrelevant and unrelated nonsense and all that does is muddy the water.
Agreed.

Strange as it may seem, it is apparently not unusual for travelers to tape property together in the way that was described. Perhaps that's why the TSA deemed them to be benign.

Regardless, the TSA let them through. It's really another lose-lose for them.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by PHLflying
I think the vast majority of what the TSA does is stupid and unnecessary, but giving a closer look to anyone with bulky clothing deserves a ^
Yup, my wife always gets a good fondling because of her long skirts & sweaters.

But you should have seen them force granny to get up out of her wheelchair & walk through the metal detector at STL this morning. I felt so much safer.
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 7:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Since when is "suspicious" = arrestable offense?

No due process anymore?
This is TSA we are talking about. They don't have to follow the rules
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