SPOT programme in the UK
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SPOT programme in the UK
Just had a troubling experience at LGW -- looks like they are introducing "SPOT" type programmes. After having my passport and BP checked as usual by the gate agent, I walked through into the waiting area and was approached by a man in a (very nice) suit and asked for my passport. I asked him who he was and under what a authority he was asking for it and said he was a "special branch" police officer and displayed his ID. He took my passport and then started asking me questions about my travels, what I do for a living, etc. I asked what he wanted the information for and he replied he was "interested in people who are travelling". I told him his "interest" was not reason enough for me to provide private information. He flipped through my passport and then said, "it looks like you travel quite a bit". I acknowledged that that was a conclusion one could reasonably reach from examining my passport. He then thanked me and I went on.
Amazing how ideas travel from one bureaucracy to another, no matter how stupid and pointless they are.
Amazing how ideas travel from one bureaucracy to another, no matter how stupid and pointless they are.
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In mitigation spotting done by experts (preferably Israeli trained .......) could provide an additional and reliable level of security. It is certainly far from stupid or pointless.
I understand why people may object - we're all different - but I'm for it and will cooperate with humour and helpfulness so long as the approach is courteous and completed by trained people and not BAA staff.
I find it reassuring.
I understand why people may object - we're all different - but I'm for it and will cooperate with humour and helpfulness so long as the approach is courteous and completed by trained people and not BAA staff.
I find it reassuring.
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Special Branch at Gatwick (who I am very well acquainted with) are not engaged in anything remotely similar to the SPOT program. Embarkation checks are routinely conducted on specifically targeted flights for various specific reasons related to criminal activity and have been so since time immemorial (long before SPOT was dreamed up). They are not on a fishing expedition by any means.
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Perhaps you should google "behavior pattern recognition " as well as "screening passengers by observation techniques" and look a little more at how Ben Gurion Airport .... possibly the potentially most dangerous target airport in the world and how they have reduced risks impressively before concluding on the issue.
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In mitigation spotting done by experts (preferably Israeli trained .......) could provide an additional and reliable level of security. It is certainly far from stupid or pointless.
I understand why people may object - we're all different - but I'm for it and will cooperate with humour and helpfulness so long as the approach is courteous and completed by trained people and not BAA staff.
I find it reassuring.
I understand why people may object - we're all different - but I'm for it and will cooperate with humour and helpfulness so long as the approach is courteous and completed by trained people and not BAA staff.
I find it reassuring.
It certainly seems like a fishing expedition to me unless OP resembled a wanted individual, or has skin of a particular shade.
I would not find such an interrogation the least bit reassuring. Boiling frog syndrome.
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Special Branch at Gatwick (who I am very well acquainted with) are not engaged in anything remotely similar to the SPOT program. Embarkation checks are routinely conducted on specifically targeted flights for various specific reasons related to criminal activity and have been so since time immemorial (long before SPOT was dreamed up). They are not on a fishing expedition by any means.
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This is not a bunch of wannabe cops playing fortune teller at an airport carnival like the TSA SPOT program. This is the real deal. The fact that the OP's interaction appears to have been quite pleasant speaks volumes in comparison.
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I was impressed with your signature line ....""Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." Mark Twain " and you will therefore sympathise I'm sure and be ope minded when I say that we also live in a world where people choose to ignore .....
Perhaps you should google "behavior pattern recognition " as well as "screening passengers by observation techniques" and look a little more at how Ben Gurion Airport .... possibly the potentially most dangerous target airport in the world and how they have reduced risks impressively before concluding on the issue.
Perhaps you should google "behavior pattern recognition " as well as "screening passengers by observation techniques" and look a little more at how Ben Gurion Airport .... possibly the potentially most dangerous target airport in the world and how they have reduced risks impressively before concluding on the issue.
You really can't compare what SPOT does with anything else- the difference in the level of training and clinical experience being a major issue. A few days of training does not begin to give insight into the complex range of human motivation, even if the person receiving said training is very self aware. The incident in at Philadelphia International Airport should be a lesson in how this program fails to be effective, and in fact can lead to wrongly subjective conclusions that can damage the lives of innocent people. It would be better if they stuck with WEI, and forgot the domestic witch hunting, as in the above case.
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Perhaps you should google "behavior pattern recognition " as well as "screening passengers by observation techniques" and look a little more at how Ben Gurion Airport .... possibly the potentially most dangerous target airport in the world and how they have reduced risks impressively before concluding on the issue.
Originally Posted by B747-437B
Special Branch operations at Gatwick are almost always based upon specific intelligence. As I mentioned earlier, I've worked a lot with these folks over the years and they are the most professional police officers I've encountered anywhere in the world. They don't have the time or resources to go on fishing expeditions.
This is not a bunch of wannabe cops playing fortune teller at an airport carnival like the TSA SPOT program. This is the real deal. The fact that the OP's interaction appears to have been quite pleasant speaks volumes in comparison.
This is not a bunch of wannabe cops playing fortune teller at an airport carnival like the TSA SPOT program. This is the real deal. The fact that the OP's interaction appears to have been quite pleasant speaks volumes in comparison.
We're not stupid, tell us why you're in our faces.
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Special Branch at Gatwick (who I am very well acquainted with) are not engaged in anything remotely similar to the SPOT program. Embarkation checks are routinely conducted on specifically targeted flights for various specific reasons related to criminal activity and have been so since time immemorial (long before SPOT was dreamed up). They are not on a fishing expedition by any means.
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"Well sir, our informant Bob who spies on this drug cartel for us, said that there was a guy heading out on this flight carrying ten kilos of cocaine shoved up his rectum. You wouldn't happen to know anything about things shoved up your rectum would you?"

