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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:01 pm
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You are correct, there is a freedom of speech. But I wonder...a trapped audience, how free are they to leave an not listen to such a rant? Many here say the issue they have with the WBI is the invasion of privacy. So much for another persons right to privacy, huh? Whether they like it or not, i guess some people think they can force an education down someones throat.
...kinda' like moat dragon and carnival barker screeners?
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
You are correct, there is a freedom of speech. But I wonder...a trapped audience, how free are they to leave an not listen to such a rant? Many here say the issue they have with the WBI is the invasion of privacy. So much for another persons right to privacy, huh? Whether they like it or not, i guess some people think they can force an education down someones throat.

And I must have missed it - seriously - did Star say he would threaten physical violence?
You must have missed my post about 4 people who took themselves out of the WBI line because one person spoke up about WBI and it's possible consequences.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
...kinda' like moat dragon and carnival barker screeners?
So it's his job to do so?
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:10 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Sort of my point. Why complain about what you yourself are willing to do?
For starters: One example is "SOP." The other example is the First Amendment.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:12 pm
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You must have missed my post about 4 people who took themselves out of the WBI line because one person spoke up about WBI and it's possible consequences.
Oh, i havent missed it. I wonder how much bad information is handed out, though. Isn't one of the complaints about the WBI and TSA that passengers don't have access to what the images are like and other SSI info?

Regardless of having people trapped and forced to listen, is what being conveyed nothing more than fear if it's based upon incomplete information?

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For starters: One example is "SOP." The other example is the First Amendment.
Funny how people throw around rights, but seem to ignore those of others, huh? But i guess we support such actions when it suits our individual needs.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by star_world
How about you quit wasting time at every checkpoint and just move on. Do us all a favour. I've said it many times before, but if some idiot causes a scene in front of me that deliberately holds up a security queue or "educates" () other passengers on the various security options I'll make sure they don't forget the experience Cause disruption on your own time, and in the privacy of your own home.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Funny how people throw around rights, but seem to ignore those of others, huh? But i guess we support such actions when it suits our individual needs.
Sorry, pal. I support your First Amendment right whether you like it or not.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
You are correct, there is a freedom of speech. But I wonder...a trapped audience, how free are they to leave an not listen to such a rant? Many here say the issue they have with the WBI is the invasion of privacy. So much for another persons right to privacy, huh? Whether they like it or not, i guess some people think they can force an education down someones throat.

And I must have missed it - seriously - did Star say he would threaten physical violence?
The "make sure they don't forget the experience" may not have been a physical threat, context is not known. My comment was a warning that going there is likely to end in the way they were thinking as a lot of people underestimate what I am capable of, there assumptions have been there downfall. Plus i normally have a camera on me nearly all the time and it has full HD capability.... The proof is in the still/video at that point.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:23 pm
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Sorry, pal. I support your First Amendment right whether you like it or not.
Hmmm I doubt you do, as you and I differ on what we consider to be our "rights".
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Oh, i havent missed it. I wonder how much bad information is handed out, though. Isn't one of the complaints about the WBI and TSA that passengers don't have access to what the images are like and other SSI info?

Regardless of having people trapped and forced to listen, is what being conveyed nothing more than fear if it's based upon incomplete information?
Im sorry but SSI is the most laughable cover story ever. TSA abuses it (like the line at the bottom of the complaint form). That and its laughed at by the rest of the government as its not a real status level.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:26 pm
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The "make sure they don't forget the experience" may not have been a physical threat, context is not known. My comment was a warning that going there is likely to end in the way they were thinking as a lot of people underestimate what I am capable of, there assumptions have been there downfall. Plus i normally have a camera on me nearly all the time and it has full HD capability.... The proof is in the still/video at that point.
Interesting that is where your train of thought took you - to a physical confrontation.

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Im sorry but SSI is the most laughable cover story ever. TSA abuses it (like the line at the bottom of the complaint form). That and its laughed at by the rest of the government as its not a real status level.
I actually agree to an extent. TSA uses SSI for things that should most likely not be SSI. However, that does not change the fact that SSI exist. It does exist, and as been stated on this site countless times, info about the WBIs is SSI. Why, many here claim that TSA is keeping even the image resolution qualit secret.

So I stand by what I said: telling other passengers about these machines and what they can and do do, when that info isn't know, is nothing more than spreading fear.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
telling other passengers about these machines and what they can and do do, when that info isn't know, is nothing more than spreading fear.
So the TSA and TSO's are spreading fear when they tell the traveling public what they can and do do.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:37 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Oh, i havent missed it. I wonder how much bad information is handed out, though. Isn't one of the complaints about the WBI and TSA that passengers don't have access to what the images are like and other SSI info?

Regardless of having people trapped and forced to listen, is what being conveyed nothing more than fear if it's based upon incomplete information?
And where, I might ask, can we get complete information? We can't because TSA hides behind SSI.

Therefore, without complete information, we must depend on our gut instincts and my gut instincts tell me that TSA lies.
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:38 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Oh, i havent missed it. I wonder how much bad information is handed out, though.
TSA has handed out quite a lot of bad information, now that you mention it. But you already know that.

Isn't one of the complaints about the WBI and TSA that passengers don't have access to what the images are like and other SSI info?
More like, TSA has refused to share an accurate sample of the images generated by its strip-search machines, has lied about the level of detail generated and the storage capacities of its strip-search technologies, and has been evasive about the accuracy of what images it HAS released. Plus there are the many doctors and scientists who have pointed out the very real health risks these machines present, especially when operated by TSA's poorly trained unprofessional workforce. But, again, you already know that.

Regardless of having people trapped and forced to listen, is what being conveyed nothing more than fear if it's based upon incomplete information?
Care to try that again in English?
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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 6:38 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
I actually agree to an extent. TSA uses SSI for things that should most likely not be SSI. However, that does not change the fact that SSI exist. It does exist, and as been stated on this site countless times, info about the WBIs is SSI. Why, many here claim that TSA is keeping even the image resolution qualit secret.

So I stand by what I said: telling other passengers about these machines and what they can and do do, when that info isn't know, is nothing more than spreading fear.
TSA could end the debate over the health concerns about the WBI by inviting the press to a demonstration conducted by an impartial operator of the machines, with the output of the machines verified by impartial scientists who work in the field, an published in the public domain.

How would that compromise SSI?
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