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essxjay Jul 20, 2010 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14334403)
My response was intended to draw attention to the "warfare" / "tinfoil hat" mentality that is so prevalent on this board.

I can't imagine why one would want to draw more attention to a 'mentality' that has escaped no one's notice to begin with.


Originally Posted by tusphotog (Post 14334364)
Same here, minus the lock. What kind of laptop bag and how big of a lock are you using?

At the risk of modding myself for going OT :p, I use a model from Briggs & Riley's @work collection, similar to this one. Three distinct, double-zippered interior sections allow for securing the front section while keeping the laptop section LOFI accessible. There's also a newspaper slot in back and zippered flat pock on the front, the former of which is easily overlooked in searches. :)

Will have to search for an image of the lock and get back to you ...


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14334846)
I say that everyone's entitled to their own level of paranoia.

The problem with this statement is the assertion of paranoia, which is a misnomer here. Paranoia is fear or anxiety without foundation. Concern with the security of one's valuables is reasonable and prudent rather than irrational, as you suggest.

Global_Hi_Flyer Jul 20, 2010 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14334846)
You are sorely mistaken there. If you would like to take the time to read back through my previous posts, you will clearly see that I say that everyone's entitled to their own level of paranoia. If I'm surprised at the extent they will go to, so be it. That is far from condescending.

The bolded statement is, in and of itself, condescending. IMHO, of course.

red456 Jul 20, 2010 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 14335018)
The bolded statement is, in and of itself, condescending. IMHO, of course.

Mine, too.

Polar Man Jul 20, 2010 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14334403)
Wait - you forgot to mention the cancer. Are you slipping up in your fearmongering? :rolleyes:

I can't believe how truly ironic that statement is considering that WBIs are the result of fear mongering.:eek:

star_world Jul 20, 2010 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 14334875)
The problem with this statement is the assertion of paranoia, which is a misnomer here. Paranoia is fear or anxiety without foundation. Concern with the security of one's valuables is reasonable and prudent rather than irrational, as you suggest.

A reasonable level of concern is prudent and logical, yes. If we have a disagreement on where that stops being reasonable and approaches paranoia, that's just how it is. Neither one of us is right or wrong.


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 14335018)
The bolded statement is, in and of itself, condescending. IMHO, of course.

I'm afraid that's your issue to deal with as you see fit. Nobody is compelling you to respond.


Originally Posted by Polar Man (Post 14335322)
I can't believe how truly ironic that statement is considering that WBIs are the result of fear mongering.:eek:

That is very much up for debate. One could certainly make the point that they are the next logical improvement after manual groping and prodding by a stranger. I don't see fearmongering coming from people in support of these devices, I see plenty from the "other" side though - bucketloads, in fact ;)

jkhuggins Jul 20, 2010 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14335772)
One could certainly make the point that they [WBIs] are the next logical improvement after manual groping and prodding by a stranger.

If that's the real choice, I'd be inclined to agree.

The real problem, which I think goes overlooked, is that most passengers haven't had to make that choice before. Most passengers, a couple of years ago, simply had to submit to the WTMD and have their bags X-rayed. Now, it appears likely that every passenger will have to submit either to WBI scanning or a physical patdown. Whatever one's opinion on WBI might be, we can agree that most passengers will experience a more invasive screening process. (How much more invasive is a matter of opinion.)

I agree that WBIs are the next logical improvement after manual patdowns for passengers who already require a patdown. But it seems quite clear that TSA isn't limiting WBI scanning to secondary screening.

halls120 Jul 20, 2010 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 14335018)
The bolded statement is, in and of itself, condescending. IMHO, of course.

+1 Beat me to it.

exbayern Jul 20, 2010 9:14 pm

My, this is a male oriented thread on the rather male TS&S forum on a male dominated website. (Not that I am complaining about any of that!) :)

Most women do not wear their wallet in their clothing, unlike most men. We put our wallets inside our purses in the normal course of events. Mine tends to be inside a zipped pocket of my usual travel purse. Thus we don't have the same sequence of events of removing the wallet to place it inside a bag. We do have the challenge however of being able to keep an eye on our bags at all times.

I have no idea of the solution to the situation (perhaps a murse?), just thought it amusing that it was 4 pages of wallet discussion and removing it from ones body, when a large portion of the population doesn't wear a wallet on their body.

essxjay Jul 20, 2010 11:53 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 14337182)
We put our wallets inside our purses in the normal course of events.

Not this woman. ;) I detest purses except as necessary evil for dressy events. Travel is difficult enough with just a rollaboard and laptop bag without having to juggle redundancies.

I found a nice leather cabbie wallet at Nordstrom about 15 years ago and it's plenty sufficient for everyday use. It's small enough to fit in a pants or inside coat pocket but plenty big enough for bills, a few cards, a couple of keys and some coins.

Knobee Jul 21, 2010 12:06 am


Originally Posted by ediemac1 (Post 14333566)
Just curious, Knobee, which lane were you in? The only time I've been asked to suffer the WBI in RDU was when the elite/black diamind lane was longer and I used the center lane.

I got stupid :mad: and walked directly to the (2-person deep) family lane instead of walking all the way to the left to the (10-person deep) black diamond.

The TSO that I talked to after going through laughed when I told him I'd be sure to "keep left" from now on.

-K

exbayern Jul 21, 2010 7:44 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 14337812)
Not this woman.

At the risk of sounding like Donna Noble, 'pockets?!" :p

garyCA Jun 7, 2011 2:21 pm

SFO TSA has the best way to handle wallets and body scans
 
When I flew out of SFO and went through the body scan, they let you hold your wallet in your hand (which is up in the air with the other hand in surrender mode as instructed by TSA). Then when you step out of the machine they briefly examine the wallet. I found this to be VERY professional and easy.
Then when I was flying back, it was different. TSA at FLL seemed perturbed that I did this (and also with my flying partner who did the same as I since we had just done this in SFO a few days before). They briskly sent me over to a guard when I got out of the scanner(no explanation, I was wondering what the body scan showed????) and then asked for my wallet. The TSA agent left without telling me what was going on and he HAD MY WALLET. He actually ran it through the scanner (not the body scan, the other one).
Lesson learned:
1. TSA should adopt uniform rules for what a person should do at body scanners AT ALL AIRPORTS.
2. One of those rules should be to let the person hold onto their wallet and boarding pass and hand examine it in front of the client. TSA is putting themselves and (especially) their employees in danger of being accused of theft should anything be missing.
3. Body scan rules should be sent to customers when they purchase their tickets and when they check in and posted all over the TSA area before one gets into the line
4. When you do something (like demand a wallet from a person) complete the sentence as in "please give me your wallet so I can run it through the xray machine. Thank you".
TSA, these are suggestions that would help make it easier and safer for you and your employees and the taxpayers. If one team of TSA agents at one airport thinks a person can take his/her wallet into the body scan, why is that considered unsafe at another airport (and vice-versa)? It makes TSA appear as if it has no idea what they are actually looking for. If a person can carry something in the wallet that can destroy a plane, make us all at all airports have the wallet go through a scanner, otherwise it just appears you have no clue why or what you are doing. I am all for security and I have no issue going through the body scanners. But lack of consistency on some of what TSA does is not giving me a sense of security as a flyer.

Vitaforce Jun 10, 2014 5:16 pm

Wearing Lanyard
 
What do you all think about placing your wallet in a backpack with a lock on it and then wearing a lanyard with a plastic pouch that holds your ID and boarding pass? Before entering the body scan machine, you can take off the lanyard and then place it with your backpack and other items to have it go through xray machine. Seems like a good way to alleviate the trepidation about wallets.

seanthepilot Jun 11, 2014 7:44 am


Originally Posted by Vitaforce (Post 23012600)
What do you all think about placing your wallet in a backpack with a lock on it and then wearing a lanyard with a plastic pouch that holds your ID and boarding pass? Before entering the body scan machine, you can take off the lanyard and then place it with your backpack and other items to have it go through xray machine. Seems like a good way to alleviate the trepidation about wallets.


Why would I want to distance myself from my valuables?

I always ask for an inspection of my wallet, while it's IN MY HAND. Only once can I remember being denied (in Germany). It takes an extra minute, but my valuables don't leave me. It seems like the system works fine.... finally.


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