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TMOliver Jul 20, 2010 8:06 am

I've never in hundreds of entries through the Gates of Hell (domestic, abroad or boarding Charon's ferry) been required, asked or volunteered to take my wallet from my pocket. Why do folks do it?

4now Jul 20, 2010 8:11 am

Here in ATL, a trip through the scanner is a random experience. So, ya would just do with your wallet what you would normally do with your wallet at security.:)
I find the scanner experience to be annoying enough to distract me from what's going on with my bags.:p

star_world Jul 20, 2010 8:16 am


Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 14332426)
I've never in hundreds of entries through the Gates of Hell (domestic, abroad or boarding Charon's ferry) been required, asked or volunteered to take my wallet from my pocket. Why do folks do it?

It greatly increases the chances of an over-zealous TSO wanting to give you a pat-down if they can see that there is something in your pocket. I've never been asked either but I usually leave it in my bag for this reason.

Knobee Jul 20, 2010 8:23 am


Originally Posted by TMOliver (Post 14332426)
I've never in hundreds of entries through the Gates of Hell (domestic, abroad or boarding Charon's ferry) been required, asked or volunteered to take my wallet from my pocket. Why do folks do it?

It is a requirement at RDU -- Flying out on Sunday, if asked to go through the WBI, you have to remove EVERYTHING from your pockets and remove your belt.

I refused and was held for 2 minutes until someone capable of doing a pat-down was found. During that time, 8 TSOs were standing around on the far end of the WBI line.

I watched and 100% of the people going through the WBI were given a secondary pat. I asked why and was told that the specific machine there provides only a "cookie cutter outline" with red dots where "suspicious" materials might be -- everyone has something that triggers the red-dot, so everyone gets an additional feel-up.

Seems like a GREAT system.

On the other hand, Portland is beautiful.. wish you were here. :p

doober Jul 20, 2010 8:31 am


Originally Posted by Knobee (Post 14332528)
It is a requirement at RDU -- Flying out on Sunday, if asked to go through the WBI, you have to remove EVERYTHING from your pockets and remove your belt.

I refused and was held for 2 minutes until someone capable of doing a pat-down was found. During that time, 8 TSOs were standing around on the far end of the WBI line.

I watched and 100% of the people going through the WBI were given a secondary pat. I asked why and was told that the specific machine there provides only a "cookie cutter outline" with red dots where "suspicious" materials might be -- everyone has something that triggers the red-dot, so everyone gets an additional feel-up.

Seems like a GREAT system.

On the other hand, Portland is beautiful.. wish you were here. :p

Good for you! More people need to do this.

FliesWay2Much Jul 20, 2010 9:24 am


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14332173)
Good lord. With steps like this, planning for a day trip must be like a small expedition! Does anyone who flies a significant amount think for a second that this is a pragmatic solution to this "problem"?

There are at least two of us. Check out my previous posts on this subject and you'll find a lot more. FYI, I've been locking my wallet in a locking briefcase to prevent airport checkpoint theft since about 1976.

star_world Jul 20, 2010 9:46 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 14332928)
There are at least two of us. Check out my previous posts on this subject and you'll find a lot more. FYI, I've been locking my wallet in a locking briefcase to prevent airport checkpoint theft since about 1976.

I am genuinely shocked. I don't know how you find the time to do this.

seanthepilot Jul 20, 2010 10:10 am


Originally Posted by khurley (Post 14330853)
Either way they're gonna rifle through your wallet. The only way they won't openly handle your wallet is if you leave it in your carry on, which of course, is open to outright pilfering. This wallet policy is idiotic.


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14332173)
Good lord. With steps like this, planning for a day trip must be like a small expedition! Does anyone who flies a significant amount think for a second that this is a pragmatic solution to this "problem"?


The wallet stays in my hands or my pocket. There are no other choices.

Why would anyone take off their watches or wallets or let them out of their sight for even one second? :confused:

And how does this relate to a possible security threat?

docmonkey Jul 20, 2010 10:18 am


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14333063)
I am genuinely shocked. I don't know how you find the time to do this.

Locking a wallet in one's briefcase? Does that take more or less time than it takes to remove one's shoes and put them back on again? How do you find the time for the shoe routine?

Boggie Dog Jul 20, 2010 10:23 am


Originally Posted by seanthepilot (Post 14333226)
The wallet stays in my hands or my pocket. There are no other choices.

Why would anyone take off their watches or wallets or let them out of their sight for even one second? :confused:


And how does this relate to a possible security threat?

Relates in the same manner that TSA is a security organization.

nbs2 Jul 20, 2010 10:26 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 14331563)
I know I've said this before, but, I always put my wallet inside a locking carry-on which I lock in the parking garage out of view of screeners. That way, if they want to do a bag search, it has to be in my presence because I have to open it. FYI, it's a combo lock so they don't have a key to "discover" during the x-ray.

Is there any reason that burying it at the bottom of the carry on wouldn't work? I normally keep my ID in my pocket with my BP and PC card and the rest of my pocket essentials get buried in a way that most people would have to dig. I just make sure to pack so that I know how to Jenga my stuff back out with minimal effort after getting through Smurfville.

Depending on my mood, I'll dig the stuff back out at the lounge or while still hanging with the Smurfs.

VegasCableGuy Jul 20, 2010 10:26 am


Originally Posted by Knobee (Post 14332528)
It is a requirement at RDU -- Flying out on Sunday, if asked to go through the WBI, you have to remove EVERYTHING from your pockets and remove your belt.

I refused and was held for 2 minutes until someone capable of doing a pat-down was found. During that time, 8 TSOs were standing around on the far end of the WBI line.

I watched and 100% of the people going through the WBI were given a secondary pat.

Pretty much identical to my experience at BOS. No belt/wallet/anything in the pockets, all was supposed to be put through xray. The folks ahead of me that took the WBI still got searched anyway; I don't know why.

I opted to skip the imager so I kept the wallet in my pocket until it was time for the pat down. I held it in my hand but they made me put it in a cup (which fortunately stayed in sight). I see others reporting that TSOs either opened their wallets and rifled through them or walked off with them to put through xray. I suppose I should consider myself lucky since neither of those happened.

I guess I'll have to find the least accessible pocket on my bag to hide it in the future.

This is really getting ridiculous.

FriendlySkies Jul 20, 2010 10:34 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 14331998)
Excellent idea. I need to get one before my next flight.

Do you use a TSA lock, or a combo lock that they can't unlock with a TSA key? I've always locked my rollerboard when it passes through the x-ray. This will give me more reason to keep my wallet inside the locked bag.

doober Jul 20, 2010 10:44 am


Originally Posted by nbs2 (Post 14333327)
Is there any reason that burying it at the bottom of the carry on wouldn't work? I normally keep my ID in my pocket with my BP and PC card and the rest of my pocket essentials get buried in a way that most people would have to dig. I just make sure to pack so that I know how to Jenga my stuff back out with minimal effort after getting through Smurfville.

Depending on my mood, I'll dig the stuff back out at the lounge or while still hanging with the Smurfs.

Hope Flies.... doesn't mind if I put my two cents in......if you just bury it without locking the bag, it still allows a screener to get into the bag possibly without your knowledge. With a combo lock, they have to come to you to ask you to open it.

Flies, would it be safe to say that your carry-on doesn't get searched too often?

essxjay Jul 20, 2010 11:02 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 14331563)
I know I've said this before, but, I always put my wallet inside a locking carry-on *snip*

That's been my practice since 2003.


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