Playing "Fun with TSA" -- anyone can do it
Jun 28, 2010 | 11:18 am
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Depends on the situation. Artful concealment in and of itself I don't have an issue with. For example, walking down the street and you have a knife hidden in your belt buckle. I don't have a problem with that. If, however, you are artfully concealing something in a deliberate attempt to get around security measures, if it's not illegal where you are doing it, it certainly should be. As another poster said, that shows intent.
Jun 28, 2010 | 11:18 am
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Interesting conversation, but if I may...
As far as I know "artful concealment" itself is not illegal. However, many people are charged with attempting to circumvent airport security - state law - when the do artfully conceal something that is prohibited in an attempt to enter the sterile area. Do all states have such laws? My guess - just a guess - is that all states do/would have laws regarding circumventing ariport security. But I'm not going to spend the time to look it up, sorry.
So i guess it's up to individual DA interpertation as to whether or not someone accussed of artful concealment who attempted to enter the sterile area has done something illegal or not. And then up to a judge/jury.
As far as I know "artful concealment" itself is not illegal. However, many people are charged with attempting to circumvent airport security - state law - when the do artfully conceal something that is prohibited in an attempt to enter the sterile area. Do all states have such laws? My guess - just a guess - is that all states do/would have laws regarding circumventing ariport security. But I'm not going to spend the time to look it up, sorry.
So i guess it's up to individual DA interpertation as to whether or not someone accussed of artful concealment who attempted to enter the sterile area has done something illegal or not. And then up to a judge/jury.
Also if a person is found to have "artfully concealed" an item while trying to clear a TSA checkpoint is that issue not often heard by an Administrative Judge?
Jun 28, 2010 | 12:25 pm
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And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.
Jun 28, 2010 | 12:29 pm
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This isn't new. Bring a gun into the checkpoint, for example, you are arrested by local LEOs and charged in a state/city court.
And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.
And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.
Security should be the responsibility of the airport authority and the airlines.
Jun 28, 2010 | 12:47 pm
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This isn't new. Bring a gun into the checkpoint, for example, you are arrested by local LEOs and charged in a state/city court.
And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.
And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.
Jun 28, 2010 | 1:07 pm
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Jun 28, 2010 | 1:13 pm
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yeah considering your paycheck depends on it.
The only thing TSA has added to security since then is Hassles, headaches, harassment, and perversion. The airlines did more with strengthening the cockpit doors and crews not being passive then all the TSA Bravo Sierra ever will.
The only thing TSA has added to security since then is Hassles, headaches, harassment, and perversion. The airlines did more with strengthening the cockpit doors and crews not being passive then all the TSA Bravo Sierra ever will.
Jun 28, 2010 | 1:42 pm
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Jun 28, 2010 | 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by pmocek
Do you think artful concealment by someone as he attempts to cross your TSA barricade at the airport where you work -- an action like that to which you earlier referred as "something like this" -- is unlawful?
Jun 28, 2010 | 1:49 pm
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yeah considering your paycheck depends on it.
The only thing TSA has added to security since then is Hassles, headaches, harassment, and perversion. The airlines did more with strengthening the cockpit doors and crews not being passive then all the TSA Bravo Sierra ever will.
The only thing TSA has added to security since then is Hassles, headaches, harassment, and perversion. The airlines did more with strengthening the cockpit doors and crews not being passive then all the TSA Bravo Sierra ever will.
Jun 28, 2010 | 1:55 pm
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I didn't ask you what actions you find to be problematic or what actions you think should be illegal.
Do you think artful concealment by someone as he attempts to cross your TSA barricade at the airport where you work -- an action like that to which you earlier referred as "something like this" -- is unlawful?
Do you think artful concealment by someone as he attempts to cross your TSA barricade at the airport where you work -- an action like that to which you earlier referred as "something like this" -- is unlawful?
Jun 28, 2010 | 1:57 pm
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Mine and the GAO's.
edit to add:
GAO: TSA is yet to conduct risk assessments for U.S. transportation systems
Published 23 June 2010
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/...tation-systems
edit to add:
GAO: TSA is yet to conduct risk assessments for U.S. transportation systems
Published 23 June 2010
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/...tation-systems
Last edited by Boggie Dog; Jun 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm