Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14207360)

What you think about this is relevant to this conversation. I'm only asking for your opinion. Will you please share it with us?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14207928)

Interesting conversation, but if I may...

As far as I know "artful concealment" itself is not illegal. However, many people are charged with attempting to circumvent airport security - state law - when the do artfully conceal something that is prohibited in an attempt to enter the sterile area. Do all states have such laws? My guess - just a guess - is that all states do/would have laws regarding circumventing ariport security. But I'm not going to spend the time to look it up, sorry.

So i guess it's up to individual DA interpertation as to whether or not someone accussed of artful concealment who attempted to enter the sterile area has done something illegal or not. And then up to a judge/jury.

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14208100)

Why would a federal agency be acting or assisting in any manner to enforce state law?

Also if a person is found to have "artfully concealed" an item while trying to clear a TSA checkpoint is that issue not often heard by an Administrative Judge?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14208482)

This isn't new. Bring a gun into the checkpoint, for example, you are arrested by local LEOs and charged in a state/city court.

And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14208498)

Seems to make the argument that there should be NO federal agency security in airports.

Security should be the responsibility of the airport authority and the airlines.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14208482)

This isn't new. Bring a gun into the checkpoint, for example, you are arrested by local LEOs and charged in a state/city court.

And if TSA imposes a fine, that is administrative. If your charged for attempting to circumvent airport securty by artful concealment, that is criminal and goes to the local DA.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14208602)

If you think so :)

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14208645)

I do think so.

There was no reason to federalize airport security after 9/11.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14208688)

I happen to disagree.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14208688)

I happen to disagree.

Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14208736)

I had no doubt you would.

edit to add: Look what federalizing airport security has gotten us.

A bureaucracy that is extremely top heavy, too expensive and has done little to improve the security that was in place on 9/10.

Originally Posted by TSO1973 (Post 14208099)

Depends on the situation. Artful concealment in and of itself I don't have an issue with. [...] I don't have a problem with [someone walking down the street with a knife hidden in his belt buckle]. If, however, you are artfully concealing something in a deliberate attempt to get around security measures, if it's not illegal where you are doing it, it certainly should be.

Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 14208770)

yeah considering your paycheck depends on it.

The only thing TSA has added to security since then is Hassles, headaches, harassment, and perversion. The airlines did more with strengthening the cockpit doors and crews not being passive then all the TSA Bravo Sierra ever will.

Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14208922)

I didn't ask you what actions you find to be problematic or what actions you think should be illegal.

Do you think artful concealment by someone as he attempts to cross your TSA barricade at the airport where you work -- an action like that to which you earlier referred as "something like this" -- is unlawful?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14208915)

In your opinion.