Why tsa sop has failed
Jun 17, 2010 | 7:14 am
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SATTSO - Bad Apples
You acknowledge that there may be a few bad apples in the flight crew and airport employees - I agree - maybe a few in a million.
Percentage wise, however, they represent a MUCH GREATER THREAT than terrorists, (maybe 1000x greater) who seem to number 2 in 6 Billion over the last 9 years.
"TSA" - Aw, just let them pass, and harass the millions of innocent travelers, we don't need no stinking statistics!
Percentage wise, however, they represent a MUCH GREATER THREAT than terrorists, (maybe 1000x greater) who seem to number 2 in 6 Billion over the last 9 years.
"TSA" - Aw, just let them pass, and harass the millions of innocent travelers, we don't need no stinking statistics!
Jun 17, 2010 | 7:21 am
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Delta Flight Attendant Arrested For Carrying Gun, 6-4-2010
Delta Pilot Arrested For Carrying Concealed Weapon at Airport, 5-17-2010
Actually, I misspoke about the pilot. He was caught at the checkpoint, but I wonder if he wasn't saying to himself "Stupid, stupid, stupid! Why didn't I bypass security like all my co-workers?!"
Jun 17, 2010 | 8:02 am
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Delta Flight Attendant Arrested For Carrying Gun, 6-4-2010
Delta Pilot Arrested For Carrying Concealed Weapon at Airport, 5-17-2010
Actually, I misspoke about the pilot. He was caught at the checkpoint, but I wonder if he wasn't saying to himself "Stupid, stupid, stupid! Why didn't I bypass security like all my co-workers?!"
Bottom line for me, if you don't screen everyone entering a secure area you never have a secure area.
How stupid must TSA think terrorist are if they don't think they would try to exploit a known security weakness?
If 3.5 ounces of liquid is a security concern then it is a security concern regardless of who is transporting the item.
Actually, I suspect that the terrorist think TSA is the one who deserves the Stupid tag.
TSA is a waste of time and money as TSA makes a mockery of real security practices.
Jun 17, 2010 | 8:14 am
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I wish I could find the link to that story, but if I recall correctly, they were caught by a passenger observing the breach, not by TSA. That still sounds like a TSA failing to me.
FBI: Airline worker helped get gun on plane
6-4-09
PHILADELPHIA - The FBI charged a US Airways employee with helping his roommate get a concealed, semiautomatic handgun onto a plane departing Philadelphia early Thursday.
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Young, 29, was moving to Phoenix and had asked Milledge about the procedures for transporting guns. Milledge, 38, instead agreed to carry the bag through an employee entrance so it would not be screened by security.
An alert fellow passenger saw the switch and, sensing that Milledge seemed "fidgety," raised concerns. Young, already on the plane, allegedly denied to a US Airways manager that he had switched bags with anyone. The plane then started to taxi, but was soon called back to the gate so Young could be removed.
Jun 17, 2010 | 9:47 am
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Today shortly after clearing secuity at DFW and waiting for my flight I was doing a little people watching.
About 30 feet or so from the checkpoint I cleared at are employee entrances. At these entrances airport and airline employees enter the sterile area, the same area I was in after clearing TSA security, without screening of any kind.
While watching the comings and goings of the people moving about the airport I observed two airline employees, non fight crew, who entered through the unmonitored and unscreened employee entrance. I won't say which company they worked for but they must be good American's. One was carrying two shopping bags with what appeared to be about 3 bottles of 3 liter beverages in each bag, one bag in each hand(total of 18 liters of liquids) and the other a common roll aboard suitcase.
About 30 feet or so from the checkpoint I cleared at are employee entrances. At these entrances airport and airline employees enter the sterile area, the same area I was in after clearing TSA security, without screening of any kind.
While watching the comings and goings of the people moving about the airport I observed two airline employees, non fight crew, who entered through the unmonitored and unscreened employee entrance. I won't say which company they worked for but they must be good American's. One was carrying two shopping bags with what appeared to be about 3 bottles of 3 liter beverages in each bag, one bag in each hand(total of 18 liters of liquids) and the other a common roll aboard suitcase.
Edit to add, not going to get in the employee screening argument , we will just have to agree to disagree.
Last edited by coachrowsey; Jun 17, 2010 at 10:12 am Reason: add last line.
Jun 17, 2010 | 10:36 am
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I bet it's hotter there than here & people are dropping like flies. What do you think this person should've done? You have got to have water to work in this stuff.
Edit to add, not going to get in the employee screening argument , we will just have to agree to disagree.
Edit to add, not going to get in the employee screening argument , we will just have to agree to disagree.
Ok, we both agree that ramp workers and such must have fluids to stay alive during the summer heat. I don't argue that point. The point I argue is if the employees multiple 3 liter bottles of beverage are safe enough to enter without screening then so should mine be. If liquid explosives are a real threat then treat all liquids as a real threat. What TSA is allowing exceeds all meanings of the word STUPID!
Tell me why a ramp worker would need a rolling suitcase to take to work in a terminal? Perhaps to just make it easier to pilfer from cheched luggaged and sneak it out at night?
Edit to add: Soda Pop is not the best choice to hydrate oneself. Plain old water would be better and I bet their are faucets on the ramp somewhere.
Not to argue but employees should be screened, otherwise no security is in place.
Jun 17, 2010 | 10:55 am
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Group 1 - Airline/airport employees
Group 2 - Good people
Group 3 - All people
Group 4 - Everybody not in Group 3
1) Most of Group 1 is in Group 2
2) Because most of Group 1 is in Group 2, Group 1 does not need to go through the Theatre
3) Most of Group 3 is in Group 2
4) Since 1=3, we can argue that because most of Group 3 is in Group 2, Group 3 does not need to go through the Theatre
5) Since Group 4 does not meet exemption requirements, they must go through the Theatre.
6) The population of Group 4 is 0 people. Therefore nobody should go through the Theatre.
7) If nobody goes through the Theatre, why have TSA?
Jun 17, 2010 | 10:55 am
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Jun 17, 2010 | 11:07 am
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Our people are tougher.
Ok, we both agree that ramp workers and such must have fluids to stay alive during the summer heat. I don't argue that point. The point I argue is if the employees multiple 3 liter bottles of beverage are safe enough to enter without screening then so should mine be. If liquid explosives are a real threat then treat all liquids as a real threat. What TSA is allowing exceeds all meanings of the word STUPID!
Tell me why a ramp worker would need a rolling suitcase to take to work in a terminal? Perhaps to just make it easier to pilfer from cheched luggaged and sneak it out at night?
Edit to add: Soda Pop is not the best choice to hydrate oneself. Plain old water would be better and I bet their are faucets on the ramp somewhere.
Not to argue but employees should be screened, otherwise no security is in place.
Ok, we both agree that ramp workers and such must have fluids to stay alive during the summer heat. I don't argue that point. The point I argue is if the employees multiple 3 liter bottles of beverage are safe enough to enter without screening then so should mine be. If liquid explosives are a real threat then treat all liquids as a real threat. What TSA is allowing exceeds all meanings of the word STUPID!
Tell me why a ramp worker would need a rolling suitcase to take to work in a terminal? Perhaps to just make it easier to pilfer from cheched luggaged and sneak it out at night?
Edit to add: Soda Pop is not the best choice to hydrate oneself. Plain old water would be better and I bet their are faucets on the ramp somewhere.
Not to argue but employees should be screened, otherwise no security is in place.
A few months ago I jury duty & my water was not dangerous in the courthouse. The dep, even said "we are not like those idiots at the airport,As for the rolling suitcase my only guess would be for some of the things we have to carry like kneepads, headsets, vests,extra change of clothes, ops manuals as we are responsible for so much more than loading bags. Quite a few of our folks who work out side on the ramp carry something similar to what you stated. I work in the baggage make up area so I only carry in one bag.
Jun 17, 2010 | 11:29 am
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Well, you know, if they could background check all passengers, security might cease to be a necessity. What would it take, altogether, to insure everyone taking a plane was as thoroughly checked as a federal employee. I know something about that. I work in a bank with business with the IRS. We all have to get "clearance" to log into IRS computers in one of our centes. You wouldnt BELIEVE what the IRS wants to know about you if you access one of their computers. I assume top CIA clearance is more, so I don't EVEN want to get that clearance!
Soooo, what I'm saying is that if every passenger were to be that transparent to the government with essentially no privacy or secrets, we could do away with TSA.
So anyone want to predict when that day will dawn? Unless TSA is as sloppy with hiring and vetting employees as some private security companies I know, then one TSO handing a bottle to another, doesn't seem that risky.
(Regarding sloppiness at private security companies, I used to work in another bank building. The night guards were hired by a known private security firm. One night, a female lawyer with an office in the building was abducted and raped by an employee of this private security company. I remember thinking at the time "These guys are in the security business! Don't they find out anything about the people they put in charge of the safety of the building?")
Soooo, what I'm saying is that if every passenger were to be that transparent to the government with essentially no privacy or secrets, we could do away with TSA.
So anyone want to predict when that day will dawn? Unless TSA is as sloppy with hiring and vetting employees as some private security companies I know, then one TSO handing a bottle to another, doesn't seem that risky.
(Regarding sloppiness at private security companies, I used to work in another bank building. The night guards were hired by a known private security firm. One night, a female lawyer with an office in the building was abducted and raped by an employee of this private security company. I remember thinking at the time "These guys are in the security business! Don't they find out anything about the people they put in charge of the safety of the building?")
Jun 17, 2010 | 11:42 am
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I don't disagree for the most part on the water & other liquids. They need to stop that non sense now. You all should take it the same as us. FYI if I were to fly my water is as dangerous as yours A few months ago I jury duty & my water was not dangerous in the courthouse. The dep, even said "we are not like those idiots at the airport,
As for the rolling suitcase my only guess would be for some of the things we have to carry like kneepads, headsets, vests,extra change of clothes, ops manuals as we are responsible for so much more than loading bags. Quite a few of our folks who work out side on the ramp carry something similar to what you stated. I work in the baggage make up area so I only carry in one bag.
A few months ago I jury duty & my water was not dangerous in the courthouse. The dep, even said "we are not like those idiots at the airport,As for the rolling suitcase my only guess would be for some of the things we have to carry like kneepads, headsets, vests,extra change of clothes, ops manuals as we are responsible for so much more than loading bags. Quite a few of our folks who work out side on the ramp carry something similar to what you stated. I work in the baggage make up area so I only carry in one bag.
Jun 17, 2010 | 12:09 pm
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I don't disagree for the most part on the water & other liquids. They need to stop that non sense now. You all should take it the same as us. FYI if I were to fly my water is as dangerous as yours A few months ago I jury duty & my water was not dangerous in the courthouse. The dep, even said "we are not like those idiots at the airport,
As for the rolling suitcase my only guess would be for some of the things we have to carry like kneepads, headsets, vests,extra change of clothes, ops manuals as we are responsible for so much more than loading bags. Quite a few of our folks who work out side on the ramp carry something similar to what you stated. I work in the baggage make up area so I only carry in one bag.
A few months ago I jury duty & my water was not dangerous in the courthouse. The dep, even said "we are not like those idiots at the airport,As for the rolling suitcase my only guess would be for some of the things we have to carry like kneepads, headsets, vests,extra change of clothes, ops manuals as we are responsible for so much more than loading bags. Quite a few of our folks who work out side on the ramp carry something similar to what you stated. I work in the baggage make up area so I only carry in one bag.
I think you would also admit that having a suitcase handy would make taking stolen property out of the airport easy as well as bringing contraband into the airport. This points out excellent reasons why employees should be screened, not only coming in but upon leaving.
As to your later post, these guys had uniforms on when they came through the doors.
Jun 17, 2010 | 12:58 pm
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Like I said earlier not going to debate anything with anyone, that way we stay friends There is sooo much that needs to change that's why I only go to work & it won't be tomorrow or the next day but I'm working on changing that.
Like I said earlier not going to debate anything with anyone, that way we stay friends
There is sooo much that needs to change that's why I only go to work & it won't be tomorrow or the next day but I'm working on changing that.
Jun 17, 2010 | 4:01 pm
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Also not quite true. All parties that provide a service at the airport are a part of that airports security. The lead agencies in this effort are of course the FAA and the TSA, but many others are involved in the entire process. Airlines included.